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  WANTING to Believe in God

  by dobby in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  has anyone had this experience?.

  after letting go of my beliefs as a jw, i felt the only alternative was to be atheist.

  or maybe it is just logical to there is no god when i am only listening to my mind and not my heart.

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  LittleToe

  Abaddon:
  Ok, so Mr.Skyman doesn't do it for you.
  How about Mr.Tamborine man?
  
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  WANTING to Believe in God

  by dobby in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  has anyone had this experience?.

  after letting go of my beliefs as a jw, i felt the only alternative was to be atheist.

  or maybe it is just logical to there is no god when i am only listening to my mind and not my heart.

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  LittleToe

  Saint:
  Fair commment - I'll shut my trap, and go back to sitting in the corner, where I belong .
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  WANTING to Believe in God

  by dobby in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  has anyone had this experience?.

  after letting go of my beliefs as a jw, i felt the only alternative was to be atheist.

  or maybe it is just logical to there is no god when i am only listening to my mind and not my heart.

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  LittleToe

  Even if you struggle with the idea that Jesus is God, the scriptures state that he is the exact representation of Him, and he explains Him.

  One of the greatest sins of the WTB&TS is that it has so divorced Christ from God that no-one really looks at Jesus to see what God is like. They think "Yeah, he'll be a great King, when he finally get's around to his third coming" (or something like that ).

  If you want to see the nice side of God, look at Jesus.
  Even the God of the OT didn't kill Saul's men for eating blood, nor David's for eating the shewbread.

  Many loving husbands have been to war.
  Does the fact, that a man has taken a life, stop the wife from loving and having a personal relationship with her husband?
  Hence, why do you think so many Christians go on about having a personal relationship with Jesus?

  Just a few random musings to add to the picture...
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  WANTING to Believe in God

  by dobby in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  has anyone had this experience?.

  after letting go of my beliefs as a jw, i felt the only alternative was to be atheist.

  or maybe it is just logical to there is no god when i am only listening to my mind and not my heart.

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  LittleToe

  dobby:
  It is simple - that's why fishermen could grasp it, but the high-minded had difficulty.

  U2K:
  There ya go prophesying again.
  "In this century"

  Ever considered what was meant by the following passages:
  Ex.20:6
  Deut.5:10

  Even if you take a generation as 20 years (which it isn't), and backdate it to Seth, you may still have 14,103 years to wait.

  Just an alternate chronological view to consider...

  Also, you highlight Rev.21. What do you think verse 2 means when it says that "New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband."?

  Saint:
  "If there is 'god', it may not fit the definition that is popularly pinned on it."
  Drop the preceding "If" and you've got agreement from this quarter.
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  God is Jesus

  by evangelist in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am looking for more scriptures that can prove to a jehovah witness that god is jesus, and jesus is god.i found only one verse so far in 1jo:5:20: and we know that the son of god is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his son jesus christ.

  this is the true god, and eternal life.. if you know more scriptures that say directly that god is jesus please tell me the verses the jhw will see plainly that jesus is no way an angel, and he is jehovah god almighty.. my friend said if i can prove by the bible only that jesus is god he will leave the jhw society, and he will know that they are teaching lies and they would be to him a dogma religious sect.

  my friend gave me a booklet called should you believe in the trinity?, and is jesus christ the almighty god.

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  LittleToe

  Also got to agree with Alan and Ozzie, here.
  It would be incorrect to say "God is Jesus".
  (The only way you'll get away with that is in the Greek, but definitely not in the English).

  Jesus is God, I can follow.
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  What Am I thinking?????

  by butalbee in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  with all the recent hog wash going on in my life, i can't believe i am even entertaining this notion.

  everybody on this board knows how i feel about this path, these beliefs, and here i am thinking, pondering wondering, maybe jehovahs witnesses do have something to offer me, maybe i need their 'close nit' love inside their congregations?

  maybe i could see the truth, if i only opened my eyes to it and tried to accept it???

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  LittleToe

  Bee:
  Have I introduced you to the bosom of MY wickedness?
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  May 15/02 Watchtower: Apostate/Dateline Warning:

  by dungbeetle in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is just the text of this article, comments will follow in a nother posting.

  then dishonor will come; but wisdom is with the modest ones.

  moses too was modest and humble.

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  LittleToe

  The interesting thing about this is that Job wasn't (to my knowledge) a member of the Israelite congregation.
  Hence, how could he be talking about apostates, unless declaring it to be a turning away from God Himself, rather than an organization?
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  tartarus

  by petespal2002 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  could someone give me a workable explanation of tartarus and how and what jesus preached to the imprisoned spirits there?

  and while i'm in 1st peter, what is the meaning of 1 peter 4:6 where the message is to be declared to the dead?

  i know what i think, but i'd love your opinions.

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  LittleToe

  Yeru:
  I can't see that explanation being complete, as it doesn't concur with the explanation of what happened to those spirits in Genesis.

  Further, are you presenting an argument for Limbo / purgatory?
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  May 15/02 Watchtower: Apostate/Dateline Warning:

  by dungbeetle in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is just the text of this article, comments will follow in a nother posting.

  then dishonor will come; but wisdom is with the modest ones.

  moses too was modest and humble.

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  LittleToe

  The word "hypocrite" (Strong's # 2611) is mainly found in Job.
  It appears that the NWT translates it consistantly as "apostate" or "apostates", though where they find a basis for using that word is anyone's guess.

  (Job 8:13) So are the paths734 of all that forget7911 God410; and the hypocrite's2611 hope8615 shall perish6:

  (Job 13:16) He also shall be my salvation3444: for an hypocrite2611 shall not come935 before6440 him.

  (Job 15:34) For the congregation5712 of hypocrites2611 shall be desolate1565, and fire784 shall consume398 the tabernacles168 of bribery7810.

  (Job 17:8) Upright3477 men shall be astonied8074 at this, and the innocent5355 shall stir up5782 himself against the hypocrite2611.

  (Job 20:5) That the triumphing7445 of the wicked7563 is short7138, and the joy8057 of the hypocrite2611 but for a moment7281? short: Heb. from near

  (Job 27:8) For what is the hope8615 of the hypocrite2611, though he hath gained1214, when God433 taketh away7953 his soul5315?

  (Job 34:30) That the hypocrite120, 2611 reign4427 not, lest the people5971 be ensnared4170.

  (Job 36:13) But the hypocrites2611 in heart3820 heap up7760 wrath639: they cry7768 not when he bindeth631 them.

  (Psa 35:16) With hypocritical2611 mockers3934 in feasts4580, they gnashed2786 upon me with their teeth8127.

  (Pro 11:9) An hypocrite2611 with his mouth6310 destroyeth7843 his neighbour7453: but through knowledge1847 shall the just6662 be delivered2502.

  (Isa 9:17) Therefore the Lord136 shall have no joy8055 in their young men970, neither shall have mercy7355 on their fatherless3490 and widows490: for every one is an hypocrite2611 and an evildoer7489, and every mouth6310 speaketh1696 folly5039. For all this his anger639 is not turned away7725, but his hand3027 is stretched out still5186. folly: or, villany

  (Isa 10:6) I will send7971 him against an hypocritical2611 nation1471, and against the people5971 of my wrath5678 will I give him a charge6680, to take7997 the spoil7998, and to take962 the prey957, and to tread them down7760, 4823 like the mire2563 of the streets2351. tread...: Heb. lay them a treading

  (Isa 33:14) The sinners2400 in Zion6726 are afraid6342; fearfulness7461 hath surprised270 the hypocrites2611. Who among us shall dwell1481 with the devouring398 fire784? who among us shall dwell1481 with everlasting5769 burnings4168?

  Edited to add that the above quotations are from the KJV with Strong's numbers inserted.
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  "Seperate' from the World- 2 WT classics

  by refiners fire in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the september, 1971 watchtower studies were classics of phobic indoctrination,aimed at controlling the members access to external influence and information.. outside of the cult.. just about every external source of influence comes under attack and is warned against in the sept 1,1971 wt article:.

  "fortify yourself so as to maintain integrity".

  and the sept 15, 1971 wt article:.

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  LittleToe

  bee:
  How do I sign up to get closer to the bosom of your wickedness?