Sd, the Organization is better than Moses. They have reached all corners of the earth. Why not obey them? Clearly they have Jehovah's blessing. Why are you bitter man?
Knowsnothing
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'Obey the organization like Moses'--why this is wrong
by sd-7 ini was just thinking about how the watchtower often compares the organization's position to that of moses.
challenging moses, in their retelling of the biblical account, equated challenging god's authority, as korah, dathan, and abiram did, to their own peril.
the conclusion we are to gain from this is not to challenge, question, or disagree with the watchtower society's teachings even in our private thoughts.
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Peter Singer Atheist Champion "A Pig Is Worth More Than A Disabled Person!'"
by Bubblegum Apotheosis inrichard dawkins at a recent conference for atheist, told his followers to mock muslims and christians for their stupid beliefs!
we have been down the path of this kind of thinking dawkins, harris and peter singer promote, it lead to the near irradication of the jews, gypsies, disabled, mentally ill and any other undesirables who were not contributing to the greater good of hitler's, stalin's, pol pot and mao's ideals.. .
can we address the issue at hand, how would you debate peter singer's statement that a "pig is more valuable than a disabled child, human"?
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I think this is a serious topic that should be further explored. Do we really need to keep vegetative people on life-support? What good does that do to 1.) the person and 2.) society?
Eugenics, for those that choose it, doesn't seem immoral to me. We've all got to go at one point. If our situation is hopeless, why prolong it?
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The "Secrecy Policy
by Celestial ini've given this recent lawsuit quite a bit of thought and come to sound conclusions.
after examining other organization's child-protection policies (namely churches), what i've come to realize is there's a one-size fits all solution that's socially acceptable; all information obtained through witnesses and confessions by organizational personnel is be used to aid and abet law-enforcement.
there's no in-between or anything short of this objective that's socially acceptable.
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Guys, Celestial surely doesn't side with pedo's. He's just caught trying to defend the JWs, because his mind cannot fathom another reality.
I guess what he doesn't realize is this same legalistic logic can be used to defend Catholicism's pederasty.
Wake-up Celestial. Defend the children, first and foremost.
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**MUST READ** AlanF's email to Knocking.org
by sf inthis is a must-read that, hopefully, will stay an "active topic" for all seekers and lurkers, by bumping it to the top as often as possible.
alan wrote it in randys {dogpatch} thread regarding knocking.org documentary and in reply to the email mr. engardio sent to barbara anderson.
however, it is so vital a read that it indeed needs its own thread:.
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I think this is great, I'm just quite saddened there was never a response back. They went ahead and pushed their pro-JW agenda.
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A Question For the Guys...
by Quendi inthis thread was inspired by the "a question for the ladies..." thread and anybody is welcome to post.. if you are now free and clear of the wts, how have your dress and grooming changed?
i'll start the ball rolling by saying that i made some changes that i really like.
i'm down to two suits and they are only for job interviews and perhaps some solemn occasion.
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I like growing out my goatee. Not much of a goatee, but then again, who can stop me!? MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Total lack of doubt is poisoning our society
by Terry in.
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have you ever stopped to ask yourself why you are so damned smart?.
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Terry, I don't consider myself smart. There is always something to learn...
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The "Secrecy Policy
by Celestial ini've given this recent lawsuit quite a bit of thought and come to sound conclusions.
after examining other organization's child-protection policies (namely churches), what i've come to realize is there's a one-size fits all solution that's socially acceptable; all information obtained through witnesses and confessions by organizational personnel is be used to aid and abet law-enforcement.
there's no in-between or anything short of this objective that's socially acceptable.
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Here's a question. Given that in the congregation it is considered of first and foremost importance to "obey God above men", who get's the priority on confession of child molestation, the congregation (the elders), or the authorities? Obviously the authorities, but according to Celestial's logic...
In view of the above statements, congregation elders can do little next to nothing to aid and abet law-enforcement by collecting information from their congregants. At best, they can route information to the respective authorities, but ultimately, an eyewitness has to cooperate with the authorities and corroborate their observations in a court of law. In all practicality, it shows initiative on the part of an eyewitness to contact the authorities from the onset.
The only other way an elder would know anything is if a molester voluntarily confesses something to an elder.Eyewitness corroboration isn't the the only testimony available. Depending on the length of time that has passed since being abused, forensical analysis is useful as well. Of course, forensics doesn't apply to this case.
“For Plaintiffs expert to be allowed to provide her opinion that churches must report "confirmed" child abuse to parents, other adults, and public officials, the Court must rule that her opinion is now the law in California, and the California Clergy-Penitent Privilege is no longer good law.”
I agree with this. The Clergy-Penitent Privilege must be taken down, or at least have an amendment added that makes an exception for punable acts. Of course, how do JWs even get to have a say if they can't even vote....
If the Clergy-Penitent Privilege is destroyed on behalf of Jehovah's Witnesses, they'll have no means to “ID these people” through the process of confession.
Confession need not be the only way to "ID these people". Besides, if the elders cannot inform the congregation of the specific actions of an individual, then how exactly does confession lead to the congregation's need to guard their children from the perpetrator?
What about Jehovah's Witnesses child protection policy do you want to change?
Stop the two witness rule. Children are vulnerable, and abuse can go on indefinitely, so long as it's only a child's word vs. an adult's.
If someone confesses, that should be the last time abuse can ever come from that person. Obviously going by the books isn't going to cut it, and there needs to be a much more robust system to prevent this from happening after the first reported offense.
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Website by MODERATE JWs who recognize issues with the religion
by Hermano infound this website this weekend by jws who recognize there are issues within the organization and are calling for change.
this is the type of forum moderate jws needs, imho.
glad to see moderate jws are out there and are doing something.. http://www.jwreform.org/.
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From the site:
Therefore, like faithful servants of God in times past, our people feel it is their duty before Jehovah to speak up and speak out when the need arises. As did the Lord Jesus himself, we do not look the other way when we see any injustice done to God's people.
We strongly believe that the religious leaders of Jehovah's Witnesses will receive a heavy judgment from Jehovah if they continue on their present course with regard to these matters. It is time for change. It is our hope and our faith that through the voice of his people, Jehovah will see to it that matters are set straight.
My comment:
There is no such thing as a reform movement in a cult. Even if they succeeded in toppling the powers that be, they in turn would take that position and soon start the same cycle over again. Prophecy would now be interpreted as having been fulfilled in them, etc., etc., ad nauseum.
In fact, I'd say the whole 'Protestant' movement helped create a lot of different cults and that the mother cult is Christianity itself.
TL;DR Successful cults are successful.
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Knowsnothing
This sounds like the Milgram Experiment, only it isn't an experiment, and the Watchtower cannot ever be questioned.
Let's hope your son comes to senses one day.
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When there are hundreds of thousands of toys in the market, why buy your your child the magic toy
by Mr Facts inwhen there are hundreds of thousands of toys in the market, why buy your child the magical toy?..
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You see Mr. Facts, all toys are magical. They play on the imagination.
Allow me to illustrate your point further. When there are hundreds of thousands of books that don't condone divine violence, why raise your children by the one that does?