i remember a friend of mine telling me that her husband had a book that were used byt elders only....i am not sure if this is the same book as the topic posted before..but i was wondering if anyone had a copy or knew where i could get a copy.
i am talking about the book that has all the experiences of what to do in a judicial meeting.
i remember when i had mine i could hear one of the brothers reading it and at the end he said those brothers found it grounds for a disfellowshiping..however i was df'ed..but i know that no one is allowed to read it but the elders and for some reason i do not think it is the shepard book.
What a loving book. Take, chapter 4 "Assisting Those Who Are Weak" (weak means a low number of hours in field service), there are 11 pages, pps 47 to 58.
Now, take all the chapters on taking out those who are weak, pp 58 - pp 124, 66 pages.
So, 66 pages on going after those who are weak and reprimanding them or disfellowshipping them, and 11 pages on assisting them. Nice.
i remember a friend of mine telling me that her husband had a book that were used byt elders only....i am not sure if this is the same book as the topic posted before..but i was wondering if anyone had a copy or knew where i could get a copy.
i am talking about the book that has all the experiences of what to do in a judicial meeting.
i remember when i had mine i could hear one of the brothers reading it and at the end he said those brothers found it grounds for a disfellowshiping..however i was df'ed..but i know that no one is allowed to read it but the elders and for some reason i do not think it is the shepard book.
Here is a place where you can download the shephard book:
Link deleted- Links to this book are not pernmitted due to copyright laws - Lady Lee
You can download totally anonymously from here.
Or you can go here and get the scribd version, just download it or browse it online.
my youngest sister is the only person in my jw family who has had any real contact with my husband and i and our baby.
for the first year she cut us off too but then after a while she seemed to realize how horrible it was and she opened up to us.. well, she is very easily influenced by the family and so she cut us off again.
she tried to feed me the line about it being for our own good blah, blah, blah.. here is an excerpt from how i replied:.
headisspinning,
"I would like to see him get a lawyer but he is reluctant to play hardball because it might further alienate him from the children which would destroy him."
Children are forgiving when not being manipulated by evil. A person cannot keep their ex from seeing their children. I think your husband should get a lawyer and get some of his rights enforced. For one parent to manipulate the children to hate the other parent is something that most courts get very upset about.
just having had my circuit assembly recently, i felt that the expenses in a watchtower-owned building seemed extremely over-inflated.
over $9000 for two days.
there were approximately 750-800 in attendance each day.
dontplaceliterature,
"In relation to other church's, they are quite modest."
You cannot be serious? Is the WTBTS still doing the assembly parking scam? Where the venue says that they don't have to charge for parking, but if they do charge for parking they have to split the receipts with the venue? And then the WTBTS runs the scam where they sell parking tickets at the Kingdom Hall and they tell the venue that parking was free?
I was living near Augusta Georgia when the convention center authority told the WTBTS that they could no longer use the convention center. I worked at the convention center part time on other venues and I know exactly why this was done. The WTBTS claimed to the convention center that parking was free, and then ran the scam where the JWs had to buy parking tickets at the Kingdom Hall. And the convention center management found out about this and asked the JWs running the assembly point black what was the deal on parking. And the JWs lied about it. I know the gentleman who was in charge of the convention center and he is a very nice person. The WTBTS claimed that this was religious persecution. I was at the convention center sometime after this and I talked to the convention center manager about this claim. He laughed. I wouldn't have laughed if someone said this about me and made up this lie because they were upset that I caught them in a scam.
Modest organizations do not run scams like this.
What got me the most about all of this is that all the WTBTS had to do in order to be in compliance with their contract with the Augusta Convention Center Authority was tell the brothers that they had to split the parking revenue with the Convention Center and that the ticket price was going to be a bit higher than normal. No one would have cared. This is what any honest person would do. The WTBTS has shown over and over again that they just cannot be honest if a dollar is involved.
it was made by a women who in later years wore crotchless panties and bras which had holes in the nipple areas.
he not only knew the woman in question (she's now deceased), he has met her numerous times.
up until recently this secret of her year's long sexual affair with rutherford was kept by the family.
One other point. I never knew that the Judge had a wife who stayed in California "due to her illness". I think a husband's first priority is to care for his wife. If my wife were "ill" and had to live in California, I would live in California. Or, I would find out from the doctors if it were not possible for my wife to live in New York (assuming I live in New York). If the doctor said "No, she can only live in California". Then, I would resign from the Watchtower headquarters and go to California to live and take care of my wife. I wouldn't think anything about it. My wife would come first, no discussion about that.
For someone to leave his wife alone in California while she is supposedly ill, and not think anything about it tells me that this Judge character was some sort of crackhead. He kept a woman tied to him in a position where she could never remarry and he totally neglected her. In the meantime he wrote articles telling other people how to be Christians?
And Jehovah's Witnesses can accept this kind of behavior? Are they insane?
it was made by a women who in later years wore crotchless panties and bras which had holes in the nipple areas.
he not only knew the woman in question (she's now deceased), he has met her numerous times.
up until recently this secret of her year's long sexual affair with rutherford was kept by the family.
I read a little bit of this stuff. Not really into spending several hours reading innuendo and conspiracy theories.
I will say this, however. In my career I have traveled with women that I worked with. Sometimes more than one at a time, sometimes there were other men also. I always made certain that there could be no question of impropriety. I always thought that this was important.
For a person in the Judge's position to live in such a way that there is a constant question of impropriety says that either he could care less about other people's feelings, or there was impropriety and he wasn't good at hiding it or didn't care to hide it.
I don't know what the answer to this is, but either way this Judge character shows extremely bad judgement and a total lack of care and concern for other people. A true Christian would not behave this way.
i am an emotional mess.. yesterday, i was so firm.
today i feel like crying.
it was a lovely, sunny day here.
headisspinning,
Ah, I read that you were talking about the spiritual paradise, how God had done that for you. The spiritual paradise does not exist. It is a lie. I have lived with aboriginals who had no words in their language for lie, cheat, steal, hurt, hit, fight, argue, envy, jealousy. They had no words for these things because they never did them. If someone had a problem the entire village was in tears. They were happy and loving. This was as close to a spiritual paradise as I have ever seen and what Jehovah's Witnesses have/do is nothing like this. It is a lie.
i am an emotional mess.. yesterday, i was so firm.
today i feel like crying.
it was a lovely, sunny day here.
headisspinning,
I read somewhere on here that you said that you are full of guilt. There is only one thing you can do about guilt. You can try to make ammends for whatever you did. If that is possible. It might be, might not be, I don't know the situation. Forget about feeling guilt toward the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, they are liars. I'm talking about guilt felt toward another person (or people). Sometimes you can make amends, sometimes you cannot.
The one thing that you can do is be as good a person as you know how to be and learn how to be a better person. You won't learn that from Jehovah's Witnesses or from the Bible.
I did very bad things toward my ex wife. I am ashamed of them. I tried to talk to her about it but she won't talk to me. I don't blame her, really. But, I have done things for her through other relatives, I don't know if she knows it was me or not. Doesn't make up for what I did before, I know. I also changed how I behave. Changed a lot. I went to everyone who knows me well, everyone who matters to me and I told them that I was sorry for things I had done. They all hugged me and told me not to worry about it. My mom, my brother and sisters, my grandmother, my aunts and uncles, several very good friends, my children. It was not easy to do. One thing I found out was that no one was judging me as harshly as I thought that they were. No one was judging me at all. The Watchtower society likes to make us think that we are constantly being judged. The governing body are cruel, evil hearted people. I despise them.
One thing that I do know is that you cannot get peace of mind through the Jehovah's Witnesses. They don't want you to have peace of mind. There will always be something that is wrong. You don't go in service enough. You don't study enough. You don't contribute enough. Always something.
Something that I learned the hard way. The truth of how to be a good person does not come from any book. It is hard to explain exactly. I found this piece of mind and everyone in my family likes who I am now. It took a while to get here.
during my fade i started acting more and more bizarre (not brushing my hair, clothes that did not match, sleeping during meetings, non-sequitur answers) and i found that it really helped because most of the rank and file just thought i was bat sh*t crazy, and the elders were kind of happy not to have to deal with me.
so has anyone done something similar?.
I am sorry, but I prefer this wacked out trait called honesty. I just told the elders I was not coming back because I was taking two years off from them to study the Bible on my own. Which was the truth. Funny, after the two years they never tried to find me or talk to me.
many people ask why someone like me, who came from a christian home, went to a christian high school and then went on to spend five years in seminary and become a pastor, a missionary, and an evangelist, would turn his back on the god he spent a lifetime worshiping and serving and give up all faith in the supernatural.
the answer is very simple, and im about to give it.
first, however, let me tell you what the reason is not.. most people, upon hearing my story, all unanimously decide regardless of their own spiritual beliefs or religious affiliations that i must be mad at god.
the hypothetical caveman cannot exist if you believe the Bible. Genesis says that God created the first human pair, so if you believe the Bible, then you have to believe that earliest humans were more intelligent than we are, being perfect and created directly by God.
The "cave men" believed in the spirit realm far more strongly than we do today. I have lived with aboriginals who trace their ancestors back 5,000 or 6,000 years. They all saw and interacted with a spirit realm and they all had ceremonies based around the Great Spirit. They did not think about the God of the Bible and would have rejected such a violent, hate filled creature.
