The society wont mind as long as they get a CUT.
So if a JW wears that, if they get wounded....just let em bleed out. They dont take transfustions anyway.
sitting at home on a friday night - browsing through all the jw groups on facebook and this catches my eye.... we help support our full-time ministry with this website.
please have a look at the "watchtower" -style pins and pendants.
with a link to this website http://jeffreydesign.com/index.php?main_page=index&cpath=7 aside from the fact that it really ain't pretty, how pukeworthy is this??
The society wont mind as long as they get a CUT.
So if a JW wears that, if they get wounded....just let em bleed out. They dont take transfustions anyway.
i don't get it!
People who are control freaks are that way because they are terrified that if they STOP controlling everything, everything will crumble around them. So as long as they keep saying it like a mantra....then in their minds it remains true....but if they were to stop and say, "This is in Gods hands...and I will live my life in service to him and enjoy my life and my family which are the gifts He gave me" then the end wont be IMMINENT and they wont have that urgency any more that the Societys very existence depends on them having.
Remove the urgency...remove the reason for being a JW.
i dont know why, but this has left me feeling angry.. it could be that normally i go and pick them up to take them to school on this morning.
i think its more than likely that i know they are staying there in a hotel and that part of things will be made fun for my children - not that i have a problem with that, its because its coupled with the knowledge that they will be associating it with going to a jw convention, and all that will be is an indoctrination session and self praise for the society.. whilst i think the children will see things from both sides, from me no longer being a jw and living a typical non jw life, and then with their mother (who is a good woman) who is a devoted dub, i think the control techniques and cult thinking and propagander are designed to place mental barriers to which someone like me should be unable to penetrate.
whether in practice that turns out to be so, we'll have to let to time show.. its just so frustrating to think someone can be so blinded, and suck up everything thats spouted out from the leaders, and try their very best to bring their children up with that too.
The best defense is a good offense. By being involved in this board you can keep up with what the JWs believe, what they are spouting and inculcating to your kids. When I left in 97 my kids were 9, 6 and 2. The oldest two raised going to the hall and to meetings. As time progressed, Dad wanted to continue to take them and he got a lot of that "poor Brother H with the apostate wife, trying SOOO hard to raise his three kids in the truth alone!" kind of attention. They were even inviting him to go on JW Singles Weekends! And yes they were trying to break our marriage up! So instead of railing against the JWs...they look weird and controlling enough on their own...I just kept a steady flow of what I believed aimed at the kids, and asking tons of questions about what they believed. I also got them involved with different local churches here who had Summer Bible School programs and they got to experience how the bible and god were taught at CHILD APPROPRIATE LEVELS at other churches, and that other kids and other religious beliefs were NOT evil. My mantra to them has always been "you are NO BETTER than any other person on this planet! As soon as you start to judge another...you bring yourself DOWN. As soon as you say your beliefs are more important or better or neccessary for someone elses salvation, you have overstepped and elevated yourself." And my daughter who is now 17 said to me the other day, "Mom I love everybody and I have no prejudices...and its because you have always taught me that. Thank you!" And she hugged me. I tell you what...that was an amazing moment. It CAN be done!
The JWs will shoot themselves in the foot in the long run. And as for the motel ...take them yourself...a Holidome someplace with a pool and kid activities and NO STRINGS ATTACHED where they can have fun ALL day and be kids not forced to sit for ungodly lengths of time and forced to listen to ADULT speeches in order to EARN being there.
Steady and opposite pressure my friend. Dont get crazy about it because mom will use that as proof that dad is with Satan.
LD
i don't post as much as i used to.
i certainly don't start many threads anymore.. but, i thought it would be nice to get some feedback.
both from those that know my situation well and those that don't.i am a ubm.
Yes its a balance. An egg walk. And you want your spouse to see it as you do but you dont want to drive an inextricable wedge between you either. It took a few years for me and my JW husband to come to a balance. I put my foot down about the kids going to the hall inm about 2001...stood over them in fact one time...literally....and told him I would break his arm if he tried to take them to that cult. And since then its become the pink elephant in the living room we know is there but dont discuss. He is so borderline. Only a JW of convenience or when someone he knows from the hall stops him then he turns it on like a shower head. Its maddeningly nauseating. He does the whole avoidance of holidays and birthdays with perfection and looks down upon his own kids when they play video games with any kind of violence in them but sets aside how many drunken brawls he got into until two years ago when he beat the crap out of me and was forced into sobriety or would lose his family.
We've been married 21 years now. I was a JW for the first 9 of the marriage and DAd in 97. We both decided we didnt marry each other strictly on the basis that we were both JWs or we could have grabbed anybody and married them and because we had three kids and a business and a very long investment of time together...we stuck it out. But I dont try to bring him out and he doesnt try to bring me back in...nor the kids. Its a silent understanding.
In my opinion...let sleeping dogs lie. You know well for yourself that until YOU decided in your heart of hearts to look and SEE that nobody could have convinced you and anybody that tried only drove you deeper into the hole. Let time go by. There is no race to win here, no looming demise for her if she doesnt leave the Borg. Give it the space it requires.
good to see you :)
LD
my whole life, even when i pioneered, i dreaded field service.
i was always uncomfertable rolling up to peoples houses uninvited.
so i used to have this technique where i would pretend to ring the bell.
At first I enjoyed the challenge of trying to convince others of my beliefs...some studies were "good"...but after about a year of it, I began to HATE it. So after 13 years of it and dwindling hours...I came to loathe it and hated having to feel guilty about it all the damn time as well.
And so I began to lie to the Service brother when he called for my time...just lied and lied and lied...to keep the heat off.
when you go to someone's house all the time and they feel hatred toward you.
i do remember that scripture, someone showed me in the past.
the one about knocking the dust off your feet and just leaving?
frontline/world jesus in china | pbs <----i cant wait to see how the jws twist this and say that if it hadnt been for jehovah opening up their hard hearts to allow the preaching work there...they would never have gotten the good news blah blah blah.. wait for it.....
FRONTLINE/World Jesus in China | PBS <----I cant wait to see how the JWs twist this and say that if it hadnt been for JEHOVAH opening up their hard hearts to allow the preaching work there...they would never have gotten the Good News blah blah blah.
wait for it....
i am happy to say that i wasn't great with rvs and i never had a study.
hopefully me fluffing my way through presentations didn't plant any seeds that got watered and grew.
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None that I know of but you know all those "placed" magazines in gas stations, donut shops and dry cleaners...probably formed my own congregation somewhere LOL! not
I was really BUSY out there too and I was often curious about my resounding lack of success at it. Turns out it was a GOD SAVE and I dont have blood on my hands.
Yeah...all those billions of hours spent each year by JWs and how many get baptized from the field service work? Would LOVE to know that number.
oh damn...i love watching tiger...but gotta fix that knee.. .
good luck tigre!.
I watched on Sunday and couldnt watch on Monday...but the replays...good for Rocco for giving him a run for his money and making it exciting! Rocco wont ever forget that...it was the best 2nd place he'll ever get in his life :)
LD
oh damn...i love watching tiger...but gotta fix that knee.. .
good luck tigre!.
Oh damn...I love watching Tiger...but gotta fix that knee.
good luck Tigre!