Posts by LoyalLeon

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Five Questions To Ask The JW At Your Door

by silentlambs in

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below was a letter to editor that was printed in the paducah paper.

i thought it might be relevant now as jw's are defending their position on child abuse as being ok. it all boils down to the five questions.

if the typical jw can answer the five questions truthfully then they are forced to admit there is a problem.

LoyalLeon

path, I agree with your reasoning.

This is a highly emotional subject. But thie does not mean to loose our power of reason.

1. If a pedophile were to move into your congregation, would you be informed?

Would you be informed in any other religious denomination, if a pedophile moved into your vicinity?

2. If a pedophile molested your child, would you be allowed to warn other parents in your congregation?

Adding to path's comment, most of molestation cases occur within the own family, 2nd thought.

3. If a pedophile denied he molested your child, and you could not produce two witnesses to the act of molestation, would the church discipline him/her in any way?

Besides the fact that he would be disciplined (at least two elders would convene with him, and he would be under 'observation' by the elders, in my country (which is not the FI) there have been lately many allegations of child molestation which later where found out to be faked. So before disciplining, it is surely good to have substantial evidence, not only an accusation. BTW, two victims are two witnesses according to current policy.

4. If the state where you reside does not require reporting a pedophile who has molested a minor, will church officials report it?

Who needs the elders to do reporting, you could do yourself?

5. If, as an adult, you charge an elder with molesting you when you were a child and he denies it, would he discontinue serving as an elder?

See my comment to question N 3.

Just giving it a thought.

LL

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Watchtower's Moment of Reflection?

by metatron in

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i wonder if a relative silence has struck the watchtower.

and its leadership in the aftermath of dateline.

if soul-searching has, at least temporarily, replaced.

LoyalLeon

Consider the outcome of their conduct - Hebrews 13:7

LL

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Help! Is it possible to earn a living under 40 hrs

by Leander in

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on a few posts here and there i've noticed some of the people on the board have been able to create their own careers without working the dreaded fulltime hours.

i've been wanting to do this for years but i don't have a clue as to how to get started.

i've really wanted to get into the field of real estate development.

LoyalLeon

after all ... you're not going to pioneer, are you?

LL

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True Justice Explained by WTS

by blondie in

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does this apply to judicial committees too?.

*** w98 6/15 26-9 true justice-when and how?

the innocent should have nothing to fear from true justice.

LoyalLeon

The article doesn't exclude judicial committees from it's application. Evidently thea are as imperfect as other human judges. Interestingly, the article appeared a short time after the canged attitude toward civil services for conscientious objectors. How many of them suffered for sth. they did only out of obedience to the org?

LL

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World Cup : USA shocks Portugal

by Gopher in

first senegal stuns france with an opening-game victory.. now the usa beats portugal 3-2 in a first-round game.

and, one of portugal's goals was the result of an american "own goal".

i saw a couple of beee-autiful crossing passes that resulted in american goals.. this brand of football, with its unexpected surprises, may actually become fun to watch!!.

LoyalLeon

fd, so far it looks otherwise

anyway we're living in the 21st century, so it's time for some changes

LL

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An Important Note To All Serving Elders

by hillary_step in

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recently the wts sent a letter to all bodies of elders in north america reminding them of how to proceed with the handling of cases involving child abuse.

it stated the following:.

"reminders regarding the handling of cases involving child abuse": (1) as directed in the june 1, 1992, letter to all bodies of elders, you should immediately call the legal department for direction if you learn of a case of child abuse.

LoyalLeon

No real news in the letter, which was also sent to BOEs in Europe. The only problem ist, that hardcore elders for 40 yrs have difficulty to understand and apply matters as they are written, interpreting sth into letters, as they learned it to be decades ago (if the society says, they mean...).

Why is it so hard for many to use ther God-given thinking capacities in a responsible way?

LL

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Dubs don`t like to Tip

by OUTLAW in

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a post made by alanf just made me remember about going to restaraunts with dubs.for the most part they don`t like to tip.my parents and the dubs they went out with were not poor people.my mom would have a fit if she saw my dad tip.most dubs i knew were the same way.did the dubs you were around,like to tip?...outlaw

LoyalLeon

The fact that many JWs avoid to tip has come to the attention of the GB. So they include this subject regularla in the famous May KM-supplement. Don't know whether it works.

LL

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Tratiors or what?

by happy man in

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i see some warn mee to wright on this site, as on going jw, but as the tema says,forjw and ex jw.. as i not so good in english i think it must bee difficult to proof that i was informd that this is a apostate site, i dint caii this site a apostate site, i think it is a site where you can discuss annonymus, abauot important things.. i think i am one of the few inn sweden who now about this ngo thing, and childabuse, when i ask our po he dont now anything.. i have told some, my parents, who have been in the truth sens 1950, comment from my mom,the angels will look you upp and take you out, nice, i dont think so, if this happend it is the demon.. some warn mee and say that if you wright here spy find you, i dont think it is possibel, at least i stitt on a modem, and have a new number evry time i am logging inn, but perhaps i am wrong, then you must tell mee if they can find us who is inn here.. this was from the man behind anemys line.

LoyalLeon

they informed the BOEs briefly of the UN thing, so that anybody who has no clue will quickly forget about it.

if they start spying in this way, their methods willl come back upon them; so i will continue on board

LL

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WT April 15th 2002

by petespal2002 in

in a discussion of allowing godly principles rather than laws rule your life, para.

15 states, "following bible principles, we will avoid trying to live (or demand others to live) by an extensive and rigid set of do's and don'ts that go beyond the teachings of the bible.".

i've read on this site many times that jw's are ruled by man-made rules and regulations relating to all sorts of stupid topics.

LoyalLeon

so faithfulness to this statement should be of greatest importance to each JW, the brothers in the Writing Dept. know why they write what they write, don't they?

LL

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If You Can't Face A Witness Funeral Again..

by Englishman in

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i posted recently about how i attended a humanist funeral for my pal knocker john.

no prayers, no hymns, just a natural goodbye that, in itself, contained a healing element that somewhat counteracted our feelings of grief.. then i think back to the funeral of my dad in the 80s.

it was, quite simply, nothing more than a commercial for the witness religion.

LoyalLeon

Hey Eman,

your post simply made me to change status from lurker to registered member.

Recently, my uncle, an elder for 40 yrs made me to promise him to make sure that none of his fellow elders gives his funeral talk.

Although not a custom in our area, probably I, being an elder myself, would do it. KH use is here also rather the exception.

So even faithful JW have their ideas about a decent funeral. He himself gave dozens of such talks and I can assure you they were definitely no commercials.

LL