The NIV is my favorite. But a good interlinear is very important to have on hand. Because then when you realize they totally changed the meaning of certain texts it shows it without a doubt in an interlinear.
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Best Bible Translation?
by mywifeisaJW inmy wife has been a jw for about 10 years (we have been married 15 years).
over the years i have tried various strategies to deal with this, which i won't go into here...except that i have agreed to "read the bible" with my wife...and i get to pick the translation.. what translation would be best recommended to help highlight the errors of the nwt and jw thinking in general?
i have seen here that today's english version has been recommended...anything else?
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How does the society explain 5 more partakers at the Memorial?
by lv4fer ini think it's kind of funny.
how do they explain more people this year than lasts?
i thought the number was suppose to get lower as they died off?
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lv4fer
I think it's kind of funny. How do they explain more people this year than lasts? I thought the number was suppose to get lower as they died off? If someone fell away then someone would replace them that is 1 for 1 an even swap. Do you think Jehovahs messed up on his count and thought he had 144,000 when he realized that he only had 143,395 and needed to add 5 more?
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The Book of Revelation
by under74 inokay, if anyone's seen my last post i'm doing a research paper on adventist groups.
right now i'm reading revelation since it's a big thing amongst adventists.
my own conclusion is that revelation had to do with the time it was written in.
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lv4fer
I think it talks about the future. I do think John saw the future/wars etc and described it in a way he could because he was seeing things he didn't understand (airplanes, bombs, war, etc.) He described them as stinging scorpions, flying locusts etc. Actually planes, helicopters do look kind of look like huge flying insects. Hal Lindsey's books have some interesting insight into this. This is just my take on it
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For those of us with active JW parents
by JustTickledPink inthere seem to a commonality around here about active jw parents shunning us.. my question is: if your parents weren't a jw, do you think they would be normal, act kindly, be a real parent to you?
or would they still be cold and callused towards you, controlling, etc.
my thought is this, so many times i used to think i wish my mom wasn't a jw because then i thought she would be this wonderful caring mother that i could go to lunch with, share shopping days with, recipes, and we'd be close.
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lv4fer
Ok. I've given this a lot of thought. First I'm going to say that my Dad is a JW. I am the one who brought him into the organization. He was just appointed an elder about 6 months ago. He is 81 years old. He is very active in service and gives talks etc. When I explained to him why I left, he promised me he would never shun me because he doesn't agree with it. The funny thing is, my "elder dad " is flying in to spend Christmas with me and my sister and our families. Of course, no one knows this and if they questioned him he would say he was just spending time with his family, however he asked me to get some presents for his great grandkids because he doesn't know what to get them. I can't figure this out, but I'm not complaining. When I was a witness, I played by the rules and looking back I was a "Good Witness" If my children had left I know I would never be able to shun them completely, but there would be a bit of coldness there because of the disappointment in them. I might add that I love my kids more than life itself. We are very close. You would hope that by shunning them, that their love for you would be a draw for them to come back and when your a witness that is all that you want. You believe that if they don't come back they are going to die if armageddon comes tomorrow. So really your parent is just trying to get you to come back, if they just treat you normally, what reason would you have to come back. They are also in fear for their own life because they believe if they don't do accordingly that they won't live through armageddon and that they are being disloyal to Jehovah. It is really crazy. My husbands mom and sister and most of his aunts, uncles and cousins are witnesses. His sister talks to me very little and his mom talks a bit to me at first when we left she told me that my daughters blood was on my hands (my daughter was 13 at the time) His other family members have nothing to do with us we are not invited to any family functions on his side of the family. I'm so glad my family except for my dad is not JW's. I feel so bad for those of you who have lost your parents because you left. It must be so difficult. It is probably heart wrenching for your parents because they feel they have to act the way they do and that they are doing the "right" thing by shunning you. Your parents are missing out on so much, by not having a relationship with their children.
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IF YOU ARE FADING?
by vitty indo you still go to the memorial?
and if not is this a reason to dfs you?.
and if or when you stopped going did you feel guilty?.
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lv4fer
No they won't disfellowship you for not attending a memorial. You know what is funny. They last meeting I went to was a memorial 3 years ago. I would NEVER go back. I only went to that one because I was trying to save face and fade w/o having a bad impact on my family. It didn't works they still shun us and we are not df'd or da'd. Unless they did and didn't tell us.
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Who here still finds it hard to celebrate Christmas?
by dh ini was raised a jw and as i've probably said before, i left when i was around 18... i'll be 27 in a few days, and as i get older realise how i do not really know how to celebrate anything.
being raised a jw we never had xmas or birthdays (or any celebration), and since none of the friends i had when i left the jw's were christian either, i have to this day never celebrated it... i am not christian and will openly admit that i couldn't care less about the religious side of christmas, but what i see around me, everywhere in the world are people who aren't really christian either, celebrating christmas, either for kids or friends or whatever, but i've never done that or had anyone around me to do that with... people look forward to this time of year so much, they buzz and rush around like it's a real event, and to this day i've never been able to feel that way.
most of my christmas/birthdays since leaving jw's have been spent by myself, completely devoid of celebration, i want to get into that feel good spirit, but i don't know how, and if i try to fake it, i know it is fake.
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lv4fer
I was not raised a witness, but I became one right after I go married, so my children wer raised JW's. We left 3 years ago and the first Christmas we went to visit my sister and did the whole Christmas thing and as we were sitting around eating Christmas dinner after spending the whole day with the family exchanging gifts playing games, my son who at the time was 17 said you know mom I can see why we avoided this for all my life....this is just truly evil and wrong. We had a good laugh. This is the first year my husband has gotten into it actually buying gifts etc. the first two years were awkward for him he was a witness from the time he was 12.
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Re-introducing myself. :)
by Sunchild ini haven't posted here in ages, so i doubt anyone remembers me.
in any case, my name is rochelle, and i used to be a witness.
i started studying with them at age 17, got baptized at 18, and left at 24 or 25 for a lot of reasons.
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lv4fer
Welcome back! Happy Birthday.
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A Friend just died
by AK - Jeff inone of the local elders - whom i loved dearly when we were in - just died.
funny how when you get out of this organization your attitude in life completely reverses, huh?
a year and half ago, just before starting the 'fade', i actually took my vacation days in order to attend the sunday meetings (i work a weekend shift now).
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lv4fer
My condolences. It is hard when we loose someone close to us. When you think about it he died to you when he started shunning you.
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What would you say to a JW at your door?
by Undecided in.
i will say:i don't need the watchtower magazine because i already know what it says: since i'm an apostate, wicked slave class worldly person and don't beleive the new light from the governing body of the faithful and discrete slave class, i will be buzzard meat at armageddon very soon now, unless there is more new light about it not being as soon as predicted, like so many times before.
ken p.
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lv4fer
We moved here to LV last year and haven't seen any. Well actually my daughter answered the door and they asked if her parents allowed her to pick her own reading material. (She is 16) She said oh no my parents don't let me pick my own reading material, they would be very upset if I took these magazines from you. She told me about it later I would love to debate with them so I said why didn't you take the stuff so they would have returned. Oh well maybe next time. We live in a gated community so I don't think they come through very often.
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The Rapture
by homme perdu in1859 british minister john nelson darby begins preaching in america.
he would create an ingenious theology known as premillennial dispensationalism, which remains the dominant eschatological system in christianity today.
"dispensationalism" refers to darby's belief that human history can be divided into a series of epochs, or dispensations, in which god has dealt with humanity in different ways.
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lv4fer
I would have to say that the origin of this teaching would be Jesus Christ our Lord. The first person who preached about it would be the apostle Paul. I Thess 4:15-18