Posts by LyinEyes

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First Impressions : Men & Women

by professor in

this question is kind of related to the male and female friends post: .

a female friend of mine once told me that many women find it necessary to flirt with a man the first time they meet him, even if there is no real attraction.

the reasoning is that a man will never pay attention to a woman unless there is a sexual interest first.

LyinEyes

I am beginning to think maybe we are "nothing but mammals", maybe we are cave people. When you see a man or woman , unless he or she is absolutely sickening, I think you do think of them in a sexual way. I also think it has alot to do with your personaility. My husband is such a charmer, and there were times when I seriously got pissed at his"flirting " with women. We have been married 17 yrs and he is still the same way. A pretty woman talks to him or sitby him, or waitresses , the man just can not control his suave self. That is just the way he is, and it is actually endearing to me now. When I was 18 I was jealous and had low self esteem. I am 35 now, and feel pretty confident in myself and in my sexuality. It is 100% true a woman , reaches her prime after 30,,, boy oh boy!!!!

So if my hubby reads this, I wonder if he will say it is ok if I flirt with that 25 yr old guy, just because I am experiencing my basic animal instincts!!!!!!!!!!!!

31

Young People Ask book

by crownboy in

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how many of you guys really believed and took to heart every word that was written in it?

i was recently rereading it and it was ridiculous how sophomoric and unrealistic some of the answers to the questions were (e.g.

when you have the urge to engage in the "sin" of masterbation you should pray to god untill the urge goes away.

LyinEyes

Oh my Heavenly Gawd!!!!!!!!!! This is the funniest thing I have read in awhile!!!

Mega do you still have your talk outline? I think that would be great to give at the apostofest in Aug. I bet alot of us will lose our bladder control laughing at that . I think that was a great way to handle being given that talk. I told my hub, if they assigned our son that talk, he was like 11 i think, I would take him and run away. No way, would he be made to do that . Bunch of sick perverts!!!

And why do they think only 13 yr olds masturbate? Don't they know they boys in bethel , do it ? And even other things I hear. I hate the way they humiliated the children with their constant sex is something that you should only think about when you are married.

I bet a great percentage of the married , older bros and sis, in the congregation were masturbating that very nite the talk was given.

I am serious about the elders being perverts on this subject, there was one in our congregation. He would each decade take it on himself to ask all the young brothers in the congregation if they had this "problem". He passed away before he got to question my son, but I am sure my son would have come up with some smart ass reply.

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Is Jehovah Irresponsible?

by Amazing in

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if i as a parent were to keep a pit bull or poisonous snake in my house, and it killed one of my children, what would the civil authorities do?

what would the media pundits and experts say about my parenting skills?

how would child services act had they known about the situation in advance?

LyinEyes

I am a parent, with 3 children. I say shoot the pit bull, don't let your kids swim with sharks, or alligators, and carry a gun in the woods to shot evil snakes.

I would do anything to protect my kids, I totally agree with you amazing, why were we left so helpless, being imperfect as we are. Adam and Eve, sinned not us. So why do we have to keep "bearing the father's sin", as the Bible says that is wrong?

What loving father would give his son a scorpion when he asks for a fish? Or something to that effect? All these things makes me wonder if there is a God and how can he stand to see his"children" , suffer for so long? Even if a 1000 yrs is like a day to him, he knows it is not to us. It is like a freakin 1000 years to us. How much longer must we be punished, seems like a damn long, "time out"!!!!! I am tired of sitting in the corner waiting for my sentence to be up.

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certifiable...it was bound to happen

by zanex in

well its official now i guess...i went to see the doc the other day cuz of all the mental crap that has been wreaking havoc on my mind lately and wreaking havoc on my sleeping and eating patterns.

namely i havent been sleeping or eating much if any.

i was given, much to my humor, xanax...sigh.

LyinEyes

My little blue pills helped me out when I needed it the most. When I made the heart wrenching choice to leave the borg,I had many sleepless nites, nightmares and panic attacks. My dad was an elder but is just a ms servant now, long story but don't think he can ever be an elder for past misconduct. He doesnt speak to me, and doesnt even know why I havent been to meeting in a year. Guess he doesnt care really. Oh well , that which does not kill us, only makes us stronger. At least I hope so. I don't need the xanax like I used to and have been off and on for awhile, but life is short and I don't see suffering with panic attacks. I am recovering at a good steady pace since leaving the borg and one day I hope to never have the panic attacks anymore. I hope you get to feeling better soon, I know it hurts when your family turns on you. You are fully supported here. Someone, well many people in fact from this site, told me there will be ups and downs in your recovery from leaving JW. It may take years, but everyday you will see things in a new and wonderful light. Almost like a small child, just learning about all the things out in the big world. I find that giving myself breaks from deep mental issues, and just going out having fun, doing things I always wanted to, helps alot. I am enjoying reading and so many little things that being a JW didnt give me time for. Like a long hot bath, no rush for meetings, a good nap , spending time on the computer. , these things keep me at least a little sane, more sane than I have ever been in my life. Hang in there, it will get better. After awhile those people, even family that hurt you so much now, in a few months you will probably tell them all to kiss your ass!!! And honestly that is a great feeling , to finally stop trying to make someone love you , accept you , when they just dont really care. I know , we never stop really hurting over how they treat us, but we begin to love ourselves more and decide to hell with them , I am going to be happy, even if it kills them!!!!!!!!!! The best of luck to you.( haha I said luck, big jw no no)

Hugs, dede

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SEX SEX SEX SEX & MORE SEX

by Perfection Seeker in

ok, now that i have your attention................................... it seems like most of the witnesses i know, and who have posted here, say their parents kept them in the dark about sex.

do you agree?

my parents never discussed it at all- in fact- if they did- or saw a love scene on tv- my mom would always say "thats disgusting' (yeah, right mom) .

LyinEyes

It is 3 or 4 in the morning, and can not sleep. I think it has something to do with that murder mystery i was reading.

Ring you and dustrabbit, made me laugh out loud. Sorry about your experiences , but God I remember having to read the old red youth book, on becoming a woman, man etc. It was so sick to have to sit in front of your dad and read that shit.

Poor dustrabbit, hopefully mom didnt break anything with the song book, just thank god she didnt slap the aid book on your lap!! ouuuuuuucccccccchhh

In my home, there was no sex talks, that was one of my dad's hangups I think. I noticed a big difference in the way he treated me when I started to hit puberty. He was always making sure I wasnt even looking at a boy, and no boy could look at me. He made me feel ashamed for thinking matt dillion was cute in the outsiders. I didnt say I wanted to have sex with him, or kiss him, or anything like that, he just heard me say it to my mom. Thank God she was not so rigid, she was good about telling me about my body, and cried when I started, she wasnt afraid of me becoming a woman , but my dad hated it. After i had been married for over a year, i found out I was pregnant and I was so embarrassed to tell him. That would mean I had to admit I had sex!!!!! I waiting a few weeks , but to this day it bothers me how I was afraid to tell him, even thou I was an "old married woman " . Go figure.

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Sucides-WT-mental illness

by moman in

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when questioning the rate of sucides among jw's & how the #'s compare to the general population , i believe these things are of worthy to note:.

the "high wire act".

the whole demeanor of the rank& file jw is bred from a impossibly awkward & fabricated persona.

LyinEyes

I agree. Of course, I will not say every JW that does commit suicide is because of just being a witness, I think you agree with me on that. Many times things are left up to speculation and rumors, especially when there is no note. But if we were close to the person who did it, it is often not hard to put two and two together. But others will not always beleive that you may have first hand dealing with this person.

My mother was exactly as you described. I can not say that she was just prone to being suicidal or if it was the religion that fostered such low self esteem and hopelessness. Like you said , especially years ago, there was no one to turn to, no place you could get help. My mother tired to put on a happy face for many years, my dad, who was an elder only belittled her for her "weakness". After years of feeling like shit, I guess she thought the big sleep would be a comfort. In her case , and living in our home, I can truly understand why she thought that. After all, they discourage you from seeing a doctor about these things, and if they see that it is nessesary, as in part of rehab, they tell you to not get into spiritual things with the doctors and groups. So they again try to silence you, and you can not heal in that way. For so many , they truly see no way out. I hope that with the help of the internet, some can come here and find comfort , find others that feel the same way they do. I have seen many , in the short time that I have been here, that felt suicidal. They just needed a kind word, a cyber hug, or to just vent. Suffering in silence is what the WT would prefer you do, that way you don't reflect bad on "Jehovah's loving , happiest people in the world", bullcrap.

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Of Anger, Resentment, Crying, & WhatNot

by SpiderMonkey in

it seems like there has been a lot of talk here about anger, bitterness, resentment of the jdubs, and so on... i've read a few posts where current dubs, or someone in the process of leaving, asks 'why are y'all here, on this site, so many years after you left?

' or 'why all the anger and resentment?

why not let it go & move on with your life?'.

LyinEyes

I think there are people here with different levels of anger , bitterness, and resentment. Some have just become inactive and have faded from the JW after learning the real truth about them. Others have been hunted down, harassed and had false accusations made about them. Many have lost family , due to the policies of the WT. I know alot of families that want to be with their d/f family, but out of fear, they can not. So I can see why so many hate the WT. There are those who have even lost close friends and family by suicide, because of the WT strict, unloving, uncaring, self righteous ways. Sure we are all accountable for our own lives, our own choices. But there are countless victims that are not as strong willed as others , who have been abused, and do not know how to get help or get out. The children that are being molested too, that is another example of why some are so damn bitter. That is something you never get over, and what hurts so much , is the WT will sweep it all under the carpet and deny their part in the whole thing. . The WT is causing so much damage to so many because of their pride . They know they are wrong but are too much like the Pharisees to change, they have too much to lose. I am bitter over alot, angry , and hope they all go down for what they have done. I am trying to be a strong person and by leaving the JW , I stood up for myself. That is a great feeling, but there have been many crying jags for me along the way, many sleepless nights, but I know this is healing. Good post , btw Mike. I also was intrigued by that thread that Simon posted. I really do enjoy having the freedom to think about such things, without feeling guilty.

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The Bible: It does'nt make sense

by Leander in

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as i was exercising this morning i was thinking about my decision to step down as a ministerial servant and also to stop attending religious functions of any kind.

i've often felt that jws were somewhat flawed in their interpertation of the scriptures, but this morning it kind of hit me all at once that no 2 religions are going to have the exact same beliefs even though both religions might be using the same translation of the bible.

this disturbing fact raises quite a few thought provoking questions:.

LyinEyes

OK , Leander, have you been reading my mind??? Those are some of the same things I have asked my husband. I don't think anyone can tell you the answers, even thou some try, it is still an imperfect persons interpretation. I tried reading the bible awhile back, I got as far as Gen. chapter 6 and got really pissed off. I don't understand the flood, it makes no sense. I think the bible may have historical events in some accurancy, but for the whole I think a bunch of men wrote what they THINK God, meant by the things he did. I am so confused by the whole thing, I even doubt at times there is a God. I really am glad that there are those out there that have found their faith in God, I am still working on mine. I don't think I will get it by praying or bible reading. It's been over a year and I still don't feel I know anymore about God. I do know more about JW and their teachings and they are wacked out of their minds, but I guess it will just take time to find some kind of peace , for me.

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New book pisses active Witnesses off!

by Intuit39 in

my sister just called me at work to let me know that her husband (until recently, unsympathetic to her doubts) is thoroughly confused and pissed off by the new 'worship' book!.

he has been comparing it with the 'united' book, has noted the obvious differences (3 missing chapters), and has begun examining it word for word...now he is raving looney about it.. to top it off, they were at bethel within the last few days, somehow ended up in brother larson's personal office, and were astonished to find a model spanish galleon replete with huge crosses, and a huge portrait of good ol' max towering over the watchtower itself.

she said her husband thought it looked like a propaganda poster for 'big brother'..... finally!

LyinEyes

I heard the book leaves out the blood issue. That is just second hand info, so I am not sure if it is true. Can someone verify that for me? If that is so, they are preparing to make some drastic changes that of course they will try to do ever so subtly. I think that is going to really hit the heart of alot of active witnesses, especially those who had to face and stand up for the blood issue. Not to even, mention those who children have died for something they may decide is NOW a conscience matter. I would go after them with everything I had. If it goes down like this, I am 100% going to d/a myself and go on an apostate I hate JW mission!!! Their days of playing God , may have finally caught up with them. I hope every self righteous JW will at least have their faith foundations shaken by this, seems to me, the wheels are in motion for this very thing.

Boy, aren't we living in a fasinating time? ( Using the WTBS own words) Oh yeah, we sure are.

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New Here

by Trauma_Hound in

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hello all, just wanted to say hi, i'm new here.

i'm from seattle washington, and excaped the cult when i was about 18, i'm now 32.. .

picture of me can be found here <evil grin> >:)

LyinEyes

Welcome to the board. I want some of those fangs!!!!!!!!!! It would fit my personality, since I go to sleep when the sun comes up and only come alive at nite!!!!

See ya in chat. :)