LOl Megadude ,, I think you should have soaked em right there. I had to laugh when you talked about your friend who was going gray, mark right? well he was so scared,,,I wonder if it was because you had a pint of Ben and Jerry's and at the moment he saw you,, you had major brain freeze!!!!!!!!!! I mean that could be a scarey sight, even for the witness that has seen everything.
LyinEyes
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another shunning experience
by MegaDude invivamus' post reminded me of some of my shunning experiences and one i had recently.
twice i have been doing yard work in the front of my house and my "annointed" jw mother and her car group have pulled up and parked right there in front of my house.
they get out, dressed up, bookbags, literature.
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For Windchaser, who lost her son
by Cassiline inhello all i am posting this for windchaser a fellow board member, 17 years ago today she lost her son to death.
she is need of a little support and warmth.
((((((((((((( windchaser )))))))))))))).
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LyinEyes
Thanks Cassi for informing us about this sad time for windchaser.
Windchaser , you know we have shared something that are quiet similar in our lives and I was wondering if you were upset by something you said in a post. I feel bad because I havent emailed you to find out, I have learned a lesson today. I have been busying trying to post but have laced on my one on one emailing, my time on the computer has been cut down, kids are in school and it's been hell. But now things are settling in and I hope to use my time more wisely.
I will email you my cell number and I want you to call me,,,, after 8 pm central time I have unlimited yak time. I have been wanting to hear your voice for over a year now.You were the first person to be there when I need someone to just listen and understand, I will never forget that.
I am sorry about this sad date of your son's passing, I know that must be hell. I lost my mother 16 yrs ago this Sept. 15 and I am dreading that day,,,,,,,,, she has been in my thoughts so much here lately. But to lose a son, I can't even imagine... God I wish I could take some of your pain off of you, I can stand the hurt you must be going thru. But I can tell you I love you, and you have many friends here, so stay with us, don't be alone. Email me and others, and just cry your eyes out if you feel like it. You are a strong woman, but I know we all have our breaking points and it is ok to feel the way you do, your son would want you to be happy. When my mom died, things between us were not that great.. long story........ but somehow I feel more at peace with our relationship now. Who knows , maybe she is in heaven and is helping me to understand her better now. She is still the one who I think now, would accept me no matter what. And the weird thing is , it wasnt like that when she died, so many years ago. I have a sense of peace that I can't explain.
I am so sorry you are feeling so down, but it is understandable,,,,,,,,,,,you have many shoulders to cry on and many arms around you at this time.
Love you , Dede
THat picture of the dark haired angel, I swear I used to dream of this same face , same angel when I was a little girl,,,,,,,,,,, I swear it gave me chills. I want to look at it again. Thanks for posting it. I cant remember right off who posted this picture, it is beautiful and thanks again.
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hi, I'm incense's son...need help
by recneps ini know that my mom frequents these boards a lot, she says it has really helped her deal with her pain caused by the jw's.
i figured maybe you could help me out too.. i'll start by saying that i'm fifteen, and that i am in an unfavorable situation concerning my relationship with a witness.
my mom doesn't feel comfortable with me talking to this person, and she says that it is a bad thing to be talking to her.
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LyinEyes
Hey Spencer, I hope I got your name right. My name is Dede and I have a 15 yr old son. His name is Jake. We left the Jehovah's Witnesses about a year ago and have just last week told them we no longer want to be associated with them in name, because of what the organziation is doing to people. The life stories you have read and advice from others before me all are true. We all went thru the same pain being witnesses. I was raised a witness and have been all my life,,, and most of that was utterly miserable. My son, Jake , never went to school, I homeschooled him, and he never got to do anything normal kids do. Right before we left being JW he got seriously withdrawn and depressed, I knew this was coming for I went thru it too, some friends he was allowed to play with in our neighborhood would share their lives with him and he realized how hollow his was in so many ways. Well , he is in school today, it is the third day for him, Kelly and Chance. He is #21 on his football team, and has been practicing hard for 2 weeks now. He got his books, and class list yesterday. He is looking forward to making good grades , and wants to have victory for the bulldogs(his team mascot) this friday, it will be his first game. This has made such a difference in his life, he feels normal, he feels like there is a place for him now, he is happier than I have ever seen him.
He has "scoped " out a few girl and is wondering what talking to them face to face is going to be like, or asking them to homecoming . He was so sheltered by us, this is all new to him.
When we sat Jake down a year ago and told him what was going on, why we were leaving the JW"s he said "Thank God,,,,,,,, Ihave been hating going to those meetings for over a year now, and I know they are full of crap". My husband and I looked at each other and wondered why this child saw the lies before we did. He is very intellegent , like you are and mature in mind for his age. He started telling us stuff , that blew our minds about what he really beleived in. So our exit with all of our kids was a blessing for them, I never knew , and Jake and I are very close, that he hated it so much. He sure put up a good show, and it was tearing him apart.
This is just part of our story, but you are young and have so much ahead of you, you are wise to want to figure things out on your own. We told Jake if he wanted to go back to meeting or any other church that was his choice. I think at you guys age, you can make alot of choices responsibly on your own, and i know your mom will always be there to guide you in anyway. But like others said,do becareful of JW's they have and are continuing to destory lives. When you walk into a kingdom hall all you see is the pretty stuff, dig deeper on JW, study what they have done in the past, what they are doing now. Never take anyones word for anything, find it out yourself. I wish you the best.
Hugs, Dede, Jake's mom
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I NEED A HONKY TONK
by Tinkerbell4125 incowboy's thread on favorite songs, well it got me diggin out the c..d.'s.
i love ol george jones, tammy, vern gosdin.
listening to vern sing *is it raining at your house*.
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LyinEyes
HOT DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tink ,you and CC , can hitch a ride with the me and the old man(Wild Turkey), for some southern bar hoping. Now I will tell ya honky tonks aint like they used to be darlin', the rednecks have taken over.
But if CC is prepared to defend your feminine honor than you might make it thru the first hour. LOL
We went to this one place called "the Log Cabin" , way back in the woods, it played lots of good ol country, with a slash of some funky stuff, (the gap band, kc sunshine, mj blidge, play that funky music white boy, etc. ) also so good old southern rock(Skynard, Segar, SRV, Allman brother band, ZZtop, .38 special, etc). They would also throw in some John Cougar, the Boss, Garth, what ever was good to dance too. Conway , Merle, Vern, George, George S. Mark ,Clint, etc. for the the belt buckle rubbing kind of dancing.
They had 2 pool tables, it was a small little hole in the wall, and a few tables and chairs. The owner used to travel with ol George Jones and many others back in the 70's as a manager and song writer. He had a pretty good Karoeke(sp) set up too, and encourage anyone to sing. This is something I had always wanted to do, so I did......I sang Desperodo, by the Eagles ( of course) andit was so cool. I dont even remember hearing myself. I just did it !!!! This was the place where I first went out and dance publicly since we left the borg, and it was awesome. I would dance till I had blister on my feet. Wild Turkey just sat there mostly drinking and shooting pool.
But turns out the place was a little rowdy,,,,,,,,,,,,,, we soon found out instead of locals calling it the Log Cabin,. they and the local police called it the "Stabbin Cabin". There were too many good ol boys there that wanted to get drunk , ( I mean pissin in the corner of the place thinking it was the bathroom) drunk. Usually some ol girl would have a fight with a former boyfriend andthen all hell would break lose. The cops came and took some away and it happened again. We decided this was not our kind of place , because if you knew my hubby, he would be in a fight with one of those arrogant fools in a split second. So that ended our days at the honky tonk.
We have since moved our partying out of the woods, and into the big city of Shreveport, about 40 miles away, and we fit in alot better there.
Our favoirtie is called Rockin Rodeo, it is big.. two stories,, downstairs, they play country and some dance mix ,, ifyou look down form upstairs you see lots of cowboy hats. Upstairs is where we stay most of the time, it is fast dancing, with all kinds of music, rap, rock, hip hop, top a40, southern rock , just whatever you can dance to. The drink specials are awesome and they have bouncers so there is no fighting allowed, or you can never come back.
Well, Tink,I just felt I would tell ya how it is around here in Louisiana and hope you can make it down maybe in December, my hubby is giving me a birthday party and he might do it at our fav club. If you get there early it is not so loud. So think about it,,, we will let you know what we are going to do for sure.
Sorry this was so long, but you sounded like you were ready to go out dancin, and this is the best I could do to help ya,,,,,, just talk about it. I guess I get a little carried away, and I know I am very descriptive, but I want ya to see it really good in your mind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hugs, Dede
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Watchtower judges man on size of nose.!!
by avengers inwatch tower judges man on size of nose .
1921 "the size of the nose, as also the size of the eyes, is not without significance.
the small-nosed man cannot have a judicial mind, whatever his other excellencies may be.
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LyinEyes
I am very glad you posted this. This was one of the first things my husband showed me fromt he WT own stupid mouth. I thought how in the world did they get away with this kind of reasoning, and all of their reasonings were just as ridiculous. It was almost funny reading that the first time. I also remember these things: aluminum being demonized,dont cook with pots made from it; Soak up those sun rays, they are good for you ( that one was just ignorance more than stupid as the nose idea); no childhood vaccinations; your hubby can screw a goat, but that is not grounds for divorce and I think he could be sleep with another man, and not be grounds for divorce, but if it was a woman he cheated with , it would be grounds.
My head was swimming with these stupid ideas, made me think what idiots they were. Then I thought to myself,,,,,,,,,,, well in 10 or 20 years are the things we beleive in now going to sound just as ignorant? Yeah they are , I think they will change the blood issue very soon, as they are already trying to set that up. Many more changes, so many I couldnt keep up with them.
That was the beginning of my end with the WT,,,,,,,,,, I thought the men who wrote that stuff were clearly missing a few brain cells. And they continue to write in the same fashion, just maybe a little more careful due to lawsuits. Now all I see is double talk.........I can't stand to read their material at all anymore.
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I have just been shunned!
by Vivamus ini have just been shunned!
i was standing in my kitchen, which has a view on a parking lot in front of my house.
well, i was doing my dishes, and i see this car parking (quit clumsily i might add).
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LyinEyes
I just D/A myself and hubby did too, last Thursday night. But we have been the target of many rumors and speculations as to why we just left on meeting and never came back. We didnt do the fade, the drift, we just went out of town for a month , Hub was still elder at this time. He called from the road and told them he was stepping down. They had clues to his contempt for the borg , but got afraid and teary eyed when we tried to subtly tell them he didnt support WT anymore.
IT has been over a year and we had already started to get shunned by many , at the beginning of our departure. I have to admit at first if I saw one in wal-mart I would head the other way. Well it is official now and they will have to shun us, even the little sweet old sisters who will find it hard I am sure. I will forget that I am d/a and probably wonder why they didnt wave!!!!!!!!LOL
I had a dream the other nite that all the sisters , I have know forever, were shunning me and sitting in a circle and crying together at my leaving. I wish that was true, but most probably don't care and think I am worshipping Satan. But I realized from this dream , somewhere deep inside me , it does hurt to lose those people you grew up with, people that were fatherly like that brother you spoke of. Sister's who took me under their wing when my mom died. The ones that were proud of my chidlren.
I didnt think it would hurt at all, it's been a year since I really left, but I would be fooling myself to say that it doesnt hurt alittle. But I just tell myself , the wonderful things I have now to replace my old JW life is worth the small sacrifice of being shunned by people that I can live without.
I won't shun them ever , and I am just going to wait and see how it unfolds. I will smile at first and maybe wave, but I would never force myself on them if they take their stand agaisnt me.
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To all of my family.... and yes I mean you all
by LyinEyes ini just wanted to tell all of you how very much you mean to me.
i want to especially thank my husband wild turkey, for finding this place and showing me the light.
he was so encouraging to me when i first came into this room.
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LyinEyes
Thanks to all who replied, I guess we really do all feel the same about each other. I even dream of you guys sometimes......now I know you have a hold on me if I dream about you!!
My dream would to meet each and everyone on this board in person, I am working on that too.
We had so much loving brotherhood at the dallas apostofest, I cant wait to do another. Now that fall is around the corner, we may be able to travel to visit some of your futher away. Of course with the kids in school, we are more tied down, but hope to get away at least for a weekend.
Hugs and love to all of you, Dede
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What it means to JW's now that Bill Bowen is DF'ed
by kenpodragon ini take you to the future, to a elder meeting with someone in a serious state of depression ...
it is the backroom to a kingdom hall, and three people are sitting in a room.
one is a woman, and the other are two elders.
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LyinEyes
Yeah, that is what was happening even before he was officially disfellowshipped. I had a family member tell us , that Bill was already d/f and agaisnt the organization. Who will they turn to now?
I hope Bill, never gives up his Silentlambs..... there are still some good people in the JW's , sooner or later some of them will make a stand , follow in Bill's footsteps, and maybe before long , there will be a great crowd of others who will not tolerate child abuse. I know while I was a JW, I would have reported anything I suspected to the child welfare. I hope at least , with all Bill has done, that it will open the eyes of the parents .
I have always ,even while a witness ,been cautious of anyone who gave any of my kids any unnautural attention. I was careful of whose house they went to spend the nite, none hardly really. I was always looking, because I had know abuse victims. I know it can happen anytime, anywhere, by the person you least expect .
Maybe now ,, the darn parents will get their heads out of their bookbags, and think of their kids. If this would have happened to one of my precious children there would be hell to pay,,,,,,,,, it would be so ugly,, there wouldnt need to be any police reports to file , except mine ,,, for murder!!!!!!
Bill is a hero , a pioneer, I know there were witnesses who watched dateline and panarama.... they have to wonder if it could at least be true, even if they are 100% loyal to the borg. Even with a small doubt that this is an epidemic in the JW, they will look harder at what is going on with the kids.
That is wishful thinking on my part...... this is what I would have done if I had learned of this even a year ago.
This is by no means over.................. keep fighting Bill..
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JW conversation
by RubyTuesday ini stumbled into a jw chat room and this person took me into a whisper room.
lets listen in ..shall we..
skybird5 : r u a jw?
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LyinEyes
Boy, was I ever that stupid?????????????? Yeah , I sure was.... that is why the fight to tell the real , true story is so important. I never thought I would do anything but defend the WT to my last drop of blood, but something, their own lies actually, made me see the light. It wasnt all at once and it took months to admit to myself how much they had control my thinking.
We all have alot of hard work to help our friends and families to see we are not trying to just hate on them, or God, we know these things to be true. I personally have met face to face with others who were abused, molested as children and adults in the WT. Now how can they say I am a liar,, that it is not true?These people made it up. They will say that. But we know better, you can listen to an abuse victim and see the pain, this is something active JW refuse to see. Their minds are control by WT and there is no other truth to them that what they are told. This is so sad.
Glad you posted this... I hope some of my family will come around, they too said that all this silentlambs issues are just lies, and they are not ready to accept the facts.
I guess we can keep trying ,,, for the sake of the victims.
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Should I Go To College?
by joeshmoe inlike a typical witness goody-goody-two-shoes, i eschewed college in favor of "theocratic pursuits" when i was a teen (i.e.
over 5 yrs at bethel).
now, at age 26, with my eyes opened and purged of the witness insanity, im thinking about college again.
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GO! GO! GO! GO!
never look back........you are still young
to fullfill any dreams you may have.
That is one of my deepest regrets... I cant go now....... 3 kids in school... and they are going to college ... even if it kills me.
darn JW 's