Posts by MacHislopp

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***In the beginning God created.

by MacHislopp in

i'm sure that millions are familiar with the.

sentence in genesis 1:1, but what many are ignorant about is.

"in 1878 god began to restore the original truths, using a small group of jehovah's witnesses in america.

MacHislopp

Hello Fred,

remember your ...pals:

" sincerity or sincere motives don't make
a lie become truth. .."

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

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***In the beginning God created.

by MacHislopp in

i'm sure that millions are familiar with the.

sentence in genesis 1:1, but what many are ignorant about is.

"in 1878 god began to restore the original truths, using a small group of jehovah's witnesses in america.

I'm sure that millions are familiar with the
Sentence in Genesis 1:1, but what many are ignorant about is
the following:
"In 1878 God began to restore the original truths, using a small group of Jehovah's witnesses in America. Charles Taze Russell and other formed the Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society to begin a world-wide educational campaign which was to result in the full restoration of original Christianity and to free the multitudes from the bondage of religion and demonism."
(Quote from the book: "Theocratic Aid to Kingdom Publishers"
- page 317, part 10 - published by the WTBS Inc. in 1945).

Now will you agree with me that , this kind of published information which shows "God " at the origin of the restoration of " original truths" states something in complete contrast and evident contradiction to what it was written and published in a later publication in the year 2000 (a " watchtower 's " article)
where Charles Taze Russell's teachings , i.e. -about the Great Pyramid , are called demonic???
How it possible that a God of truth, which in "…1878
…began to restore the original truth…", would use demonic teaching to do it??? This would also be a greater contradiction concerning
the purpose of ".. full restoration of original Christianity.."i.e.
"… to free the multitudes from the bondage of religion and demonism."

But as many of you in this board already commented, having no easy access, or none at all to earlier WTBS Inc. publications, it will be very difficult to see and therefore to demonstrate such evident changes in the - teaching, views - that whan read with an impartial attitude will reveal the obvious i.e.
they are just - teachings of men, they are, simply stated ,…. : lies, presented and sold as " God's teachings "

Like in this watchtower :

** w88 4/1 31 Is Obedience Always Proper? ***
When our heavenly Father, Jehovah God, speaks, whether through his Word, the Bible, or through his earthly organization, it is all the more important for us to listen and obey, thus proving that we are obedient worshipers who do not ignore the loving reminder: “Did you hear me?”

We should remember an advice - given in this Board -:

"All the literature produced by the WTBTS should be
read with discernment and in a critical fashion."

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

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Jehovah's Witnesses ..already in the 13th century

by MacHislopp in

jw
friends

don't be surprised but it is.... true.

let's read:.

" it is quite evident that the early waldenses were .

MacHislopp

Hello everyone,

Don't be surprised but it is…
true. Let's read:
" It is quite evident that the early Waldenses were
faithful witnesses of Jehovah ; and following are some of their leading teachings:

"1. Only the Holy Scriptures is to
be believed in matters pertaining to salvation. …"

Not bad…do you agree? What about the
point: "…Only the Holy Scriptures.."??
Finally what about the - modern - Jehovah's Witnesses ,
do they all accept the n° 1 - teaching -???

(The quote comes from the book:
"Theocratic Aid to Kingdom Publishers"
Lesson 78, page 307 .-
Published by the WTBS Inc. in 1945).

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

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Wait on Jehovah!

by jerome in

i have just been thinking about the "wait on jehovah doctrine" for a while because of the silentlambs fiasco and a thread started by you know.. i think that the jws have a certain amount of lead way when it comes to this teaching, i.e this wait on jehovah doctrine is not all bad because the bible teaches that you to trust in god and to have faith, which is totally understandable.. the bible further teaches that 'faith can move a mountain' but i dont think that this verse should be necessarily taken too literally because i dont know of anyone who has moved a mountain simply by faith alone.

but thats just me mabe some of you have move literal mountains simply by faith.. i think that scripture mostlikely refers to the problems in life that you have little controll of like can put food on the table, dont have a place to sleep and you just cant see a way out of your troubles so you put them in the hands of god and have faith that the lord will bring you through to see a brighter day.

[thanx mulan].

MacHislopp

Hello TheOld Hippie,

I do agree with you:

" the Waiting lies, in my eyes is on the theological doctrines. Because the ones we have to wait for, are the spokesmen of God, the Governing Body, and they are the ones who came up with the doctrine questioned in the first place. So the Body delivers a doctrine - it is questioned - we have to wait - upon what? upon the same Body who delivered the doctrine at first. We have to wait on them revising their own doctrine. And we know how difficult it is for mortal man to say that yes! I made a mistake - I am so sorry."

Very true indeed.

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

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4 Reasons Why WTS is Doomed

by metatron in

jw
friends

reason #1 they are losing (if not lost already) the next.

generation of young witnesses.

leading a double life.

MacHislopp

Hello Metatron,

my compliments. Excellent and thought
provoking points. I do believe they are the true picture...!

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

P.S. Money, Internet and ..generation are quite heavy.

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**JEHOVAH and JESUS are RESPONSIBLE???

by MacHislopp in

just in case someone has forgotten the.

all matter or part of it ...the wtbs likes to give us a nice.

reminder.

MacHislopp

Hello everyone,

Just in case someone has forgotten the
all matter or part of it …the WTBS likes to give us a nice
reminder. But allow me to go back in time….

*** w71 12/15 755 A Governing Body as Different from a Legal Corporation ***

"The official magazine of Jehovah’s Christian witnesses is The Watchtower Announcing Jehovah’s Kingdom. In the year 1944 the Watchtower magazine began to speak about the governing body of the Christian congregation."

Please note the last part of the sentence…! 99% of all JW's don't have the faintest
idea about this.

*** w71 12/15 756 A Governing Body as Different from a Legal Corporation **
*
"The Christian apostle John, who wrote the last books of the Holy Bible toward the close of the first century C.E., was apparently the last surviving member of the original governing body appointed by Jesus Christ.
Centuries passed. Came the month of July of the year 1879."

Notice that when ..the WTBS wish…time goes by and nothing it is written about it!

*** w71 12/15 757 A Governing Body as Different from a Legal Corporation ***
GOVERNING BODY

"According to the apostolic example of the first century C.E., these dedicated, baptized Christians known today as Jehovah’s witnesses have a governing body, as specifically noted from the year 1944 onward."

Please notice…since when???

Let's go to more…gems:

*** w71 12/15 758 A Governing Body as Different from a Legal Corporation ***

"Hence the question arises, Can this majority of voters who are made up of such “other sheep,” by voting in the directors of the Watch Tower Society, at the same time be voting in the members of the anointed governing body of the “faithful and discreet slave” class? Scripturally, they could not do so. Not just because they are not anointed heirs of God and joint heirs with Jesus Christ, but because the governing body of the “slave” class is not appointed by any man. It is appointed by the same one who appointed the twelve apostles in the first century C.E., namely, Jesus Christ the Head of the true Christian congregation and the Lord and Master of the “faithful and discreet slave” class.—John 15:16, 19."

Who has appointed the " governing body "??? The Editor's answer leaves no room
for different views :

"… namely, Jesus Christ the Head of the true Christian congregation and the Lord and Master of the “faithful and discreet slave” class.—John 15:16, 19.""

Only a few lines further down on page 760 we arrive to
a …problem:

*** w71 12/15 760 A Governing Body as Different from a Legal Corporation ***

HOW THE GOVERNING BODY CAME TO EXIST

How did this governing body make its appearance in recent times?
Evidently under the direction of Jehovah God and his Son Jesus Christ. According to the facts available, the governing body became associated with the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania. C. T. Russell was patently of that governing body back there in the last quarter of the nineteenth century."

I'm sorry but I do begin to have an headache.., so let's read again:
a) "According to the apostolic example of the first century C.E., these dedicated, baptized Christians known today as Jehovah’s witnesses have a governing body, as specifically noted from the year 1944 onward."

And

b) "The official magazine of Jehovah’s Christian witnesses is The Watchtower Announcing Jehovah’s Kingdom. In the year 1944 the Watchtower magazine began to speak about the governing body of the Christian congregation."

Sorry, but how can we reconcile the two above statements with:

c) "….C. T. Russell was patently of that governing body back there in the last quarter of the nineteenth century."???

If you think it is finished…it is not! There is another problem:

Remember the question on page 758? Who has appointed the " governing body ?

1) "… namely, Jesus Christ the Head of the true Christian congregation and the Lord and Master of the “faithful and discreet slave” class.—John 15:16, 19.""

Compare with :

2) *** w71 12/15 761 A Governing Body as Different from a Legal Corporation ***
Dedicated, baptized, anointed Christians became associated with that Society at headquarters in Pennsylvania. Whether on the Board of Directors or not, they rendered themselves available for special work of the “faithful and discreet slave” class. They aided in the feeding and directing of the slave class, and thus a governing body made its appearance. This was evidently under the guidance of Jehovah’s invisible active force or holy spirit. Also, under the direction of the Head of the Christian congregation, Jesus Christ the Son of God. True, the members of that governing body were not directly appointed by the Lord Jesus Christ."

Did I read well? "… True, the members of that governing body were not directly appointed by the Lord Jesus Christ."

Time passed and we arrive in the year 2000.

Then at the conclusion of the annual meeting of the WTBTS of
Pennsylvania on October 7, 2000 Brother John E. Barr, of the "Governing Body"
told the audience that :

"…recently certain members of the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses who
had been serving as directors and officers voluntarily stepped aside from the
board of directors of all the corporations used by "the faithful and discreet slave" in
the United States. Responsible brothers of the other sheep class were elected as
replacements.
This decision is beneficial indeed . It allows members of the Governing Body to
spend more time in preparing spiritual food and in otherwise caring for the spiritual needs of the worldwide brotherhood". (w. January 15,2001 p.31 - A special
Announcement -.

I did notice the following:

* No names given about "…certain members of the Governing Body…"

*No names given about .." …all the corporations used by "the faithful and
discreet slave " in the United States.

*One wonders why only in the United States.

*No names given of " …Responsible brothers of the other sheep class .."
who " …were elected as replacements."

*No names given until today …8th of May 2002 !!!

Why all these informations are not given to the Jehovah's Witnesses
so much publicized …" worldwide brotherhood"???

Then more time passes and we arrive in the year 2002, and "The Watchtower "
July the 1st 2002 edition, page 17 paragraphs 10 and 11, to receive the following
wonderful and fantastic piece of information, this time directed to the:
" worldwide brotherhood of the Jehvah's Witnesses ":

Following under the subtitle " Organizational Progress" we read :

§ 10 2nd part : " Further, about two years ago, there was another step forward.
an adjustment was made in the directorship of certain legal corporations, making it
possible for the Governing Body to concentrate more fully on the spiritual interest
of God's people rather than being distracted by the day-to-day legal matters."

§11 1st part : " Who is behind these progressive changes? None other than
Jehovah God.He is the one who says " I shall bring in gold." And he is the one
who goes on to say :" I will, appoint peace as your overseers and righteousness
as your task assigners." Yes , Jehovah is responsible for the oversight of his people.
The foretold organizational advancement is another way that he is beautifying his
people."

So there you are…you know the responsible ones!

Nevertheless we still don't know today officially - who are the replacements andwhich corporations .." are involved in this matter.

I hope that these reminders have not …upset you in anyway...

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

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Congregations receive branch letter about UN

by cyberguy in

i don't know if this has been posted on this site yet, but i came across something that indicates that congregations in germany were sent a letter of explanation (or rather, deception) about the societys un connection.. scroll to the end of page -- .

http://www.quotes.jehovahswitnesses.com/united_nations.htm.

can someone do a better translation from german to english?

MacHislopp

Hello everyone,

thanks for the latest information on this..
gret issue. thanks to anewperson for the links:

I'll visit all of them!!!

One: excellent comment, very, very true.

"I would be surprise if they circulate letter on the issue. They avoid talking sensitive issues. Then they count on the fact that people have short memories. That is why the re-visit people with the "good news" about the wt empire (kingdom)"

Greetings to all, J.C.MacHislopp

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Will The Watchtower's Last Weapon Fail?

by metatron in

jw
friends

shunning!

disfellowshipping!.

the watchtower's final weapon in its corrupt war against.

MacHislopp

Hello Metatron and the others,

thanks for the comments...very true indeed.

Rik: "Their greatest fear is people opening their eyes."

You couldn't have stated better!

Greetings, J.C. MacHislopp

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WTS says you are free to do what we tell you

by ozziepost in

jw
friends

the may 15 issue of the watchtower contains a discussion of the question: would it be advisable for a true christian to attend a funeral or a wedding in a church?.

the tone of the wts view is set in the very first line our taking part in any form of false religion is displeasing to jehovah and must be avoided.

nonetheless the last line of the article states whatever the situation, the christian should make sure that the decision will not interfere with his preserving a good conscience before god and men.. so apparently it's a personal decision for the jw as to whether he/she will attend a funeral in a church or not.

MacHislopp

Hello everyone,

as usual a very interesting topic.

I do agree with RedhorseWoman comment:

"To the "mature" Christian, there are many key words and phrases that indicate EXACTLY what is meant, and it goes way beyond the basic appearance of the information.

Consider the poor JW who takes the article at face value, and then finds themselves being counseled or even reproved for singing a hymn at a worldly relative's funeral. Happens all the time."

Very true, it depicts very well the WTBS attitude.

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

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