must one get baptized (complete immersion) no matter how severe their handicap?.
(paragraph 2, sentence 3..."since baptism by complete immersion is a scriptural requirement, humans have no authority to exempt someone from baptism.".
my thoughts: what elder/co/do will dare take a risk in exempting one from baptism if they have been told by the society that no human has the authority to do this?
Hello Mister Biggs,
thanks for the post! You've taken quite a
good one. Just for the archives. Btw, I remember a
baptism of a severe handicapped " person", no problem
just few brothers and sister standing by ...just in case.
But I do like the poit about "liability " ...!
Surely the WTBS would as usual wriggle out of that,maybe
not so quickly today.
Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp
quoted below is the testimony of an ex-jw (one of the posters here) who faced the draft in the '60s.
notice the form of "alternative service" that he would've been required to do had he been drafted.
not civilian, but as one who would work in a military hospital ... which would be aiding the war effort -- a breach of one's neutrality.. .
Hello everyone,
thanks for the many good points in the discussio.
Just for the record:
awake December 8th 1974 p. 22-25:
" ...therefore any work that is merely a substitute for military
service would be unacceptable to Jehovah's witnesses. "
and also:
" Civilian servitude as a substitute for military service would
be just as objectionable to the Christian..."
and very clearly:
" ...but because of their religious beliefs Jehovah's witnesses
in Sweden refused, not only military service, but also any
noncombatant work affered as a substitute ."
If someone has still doubt anout the WTBS policy - at the time-
then:
" Representatives of the branch office appeared before the committee
explaining that the Witnesses could not accept any substitute for
military service whatsoever, no matter how praiseworthy the task."
Then all ...changed and forgotten with the "new light .."
published in the - Watchtower 1/5/1995 pp. 18-20 -
" Paying Back Caesar's things to Caeser. Compulsory military
service".
Greetings, J.C. MacHislopp
yesterday an announcement was made at my local con.
and i thought i`d share it.. the watchtower announced that work on the new cd-rom is in progress and we can expect it at the end of this year.. unlike the other versions you can`t get away with win 3.1, you`ll now need at least win95.. available languages: the one already available + tjech and japanese.. some of it`s features:.
- one window (instead of several).
Hello,
thanks for the news. Europe is eagearly
waiting for it. But as it was commented on this
board...how many things will not be included or
even ...modified??
Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp
P.S. Thanks also for the technical details.
in the april 1, 2002 issue of the watchtower, an article appears entitled "keep on serving jehovah with a steadfast heart".
paragraph 14 of this article states: "if jehovah's organization knowingly endorsed false teachings, advice to read the bible would never be given to jehovah's witnesses and those to whom they preach.".
i am withholding comment on this statement, because i'd like to hear from any who would like to post a response.
Hello everyone,
excellent topic and very thought provoking.
Bodhisattva: here is the reference
" w. 1.04.1986 page 30 QfR "
and compare with " w. 1.07.2001 pages 18-21 "
which deals with doubts..."
As usual ...they crack...under strain!
Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp
do you think it's possible to fall in love with someone by reading their words of love to someone else?.
that seems to be the only explanation to a life-changing experience related in the april 1 issue of the watchtower.. the experience tells of a 102 year old woman from russia.
it says that "one evening in 1999, they read a scripture to (her) that touched her heart.
Hello Ozziepost,
thanks for this observing and ...logical
remark! I'm wondering also about the possible...solution.
All the best, J.C.MacHislopp
when caught red handed with 10 years of signed documents where your leaders swore to uphold and promote the interests of the very organization you have vilified as satan's instrument, you now say, "i don't see that as a sin.
because you were caught?
also, if the proof is only "supposed," then where's a solid rebuttal to that proof without the ad hominems and red herrings?.
Hello Farkel,
thanks for your logical and factual comments.
I've taken what I believe the "nails ":
1)"They have a bevy of lawyers that do nothing but read and re-read not only the literature they want to publish but virtually EVERY legal document before it is signed. And EVERY time they renewed that document, it basically said the same thing and said it clearly, as I have pointed out: they promised to uphold and promote the interests of the United Nations. Are you naive enough to think that THAT part of the agreement went unnoticed by WT legal?"
and for those still in doubt:
2) "Furthermore, since the UN was supposed to be so evil and Satan directed for decades, why were they so sloppy in signing a document they hadn't even "read" thoroughly. Sorry, Rick. It doesn't wash. They are hypocrites of the worst sort."
Great stuff, congratulations.
All the best to you personally, J.C.MacHislopp
well he's always asking for them so, kent, here they are.
i'll add the new ones each month as i receive them.. i've got most of the km's going back a few years but please don't ask me to scan the lot!
if there are specific issues you need however, just let me know.. posting them here so everyone can grab 'em as opposed to emailing out dozens of copies.. nic'.
Hello Nicolau,
thanks for the scan, it makes easier to
copy part or portions of them. Excellent job, I do appreciate
it greatly.
YoYoMama: ...do you really mean it???
ironically, we were discussing the watchman who stays awake night and day.. anyway, something was said that made me awaken and pay careful attention.
please, if anyone else who got this same information at their book study, please share it.. here goes:.
there was a picture of a man standing on the watchtower keeping on the look out.
Hello Mister Biggs,
thanks for sharing with us
these ..."pearls " or if you like " gems"!
Personally I do agree totally with
Scully's comments and I do like also
Collegegirl's comment on the application
of Rev. 18:8...spot on!
The WTBST "always" applies to others...
they are the " holy ones ", "the anointed ones",
the " co-heirs with Jesus Christ.."
so they know it better than the R&F.
Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp
http://koti.mbnet.fi/~soldier/towboat.htm .
give it time to load..... englishman.
Hello Enhlishman,
just to thank you for this...
incredible shots!!!
Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp
quote from page 13, paragraph 17:.
"..jehovah's witnesses never coerce anyone into baptism.".
same page 13, paragraph 19 - new subheading:.
Hello Badwillie,
true quote, until you come across such
articles like: "What prevent YOU from being baptized?"
A little ...suggestion, a little ...pressure for all those
who seems to linger on their doubts!
Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp
