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  Ooops. They're back at the anti-type game.

  by scotoma in

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  i thought it was ex"plane"d at the corporate meeting that type-antitypes were finished unless it expressly is stated in the bible.. from the feb 22 study article.

  question on paragraph 11- what comparison found at psalm 122:3,4 could be applied to god's people today?.

  during the coming time of trouble for this system, we will have to be truly united.

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  scotoma

  I thought it was Ex"Plane"d at the corporate meeting that type-antitypes were finished unless it expressly is stated in the Bible.

  From the Feb 22 study article

  Question on Paragraph 11- What comparison found at Psalm 122:3,4 could be applied to God's people today?

  During the coming time of trouble for this system, we will have to be truly united. The spiritual unity that we will need to have among ourselves could be compared to the physical proximity of houses in ancient Jerusalem. Those dwellings were built so close together that the psalmist described Jerusalem as a "city that is joined together as one." That enabled the inhabitants to help and protect one another. Moreover, their physical closeness could well represent the spiritual unity of the whole nation when all "the tribes of Jah" assembled for worship. Today and in the critical days to come, we likewise need to remain "joined together as one."

  While they didn't call this a type/anti-type it's the kind of reasoning that puts the idea on a slippery slope toward that. Especially, is this the case when you see how they over reached in the explanation.They apparently didn't do enough research to understand that Jerusalem's population density was typical of most Middle Eastern Cities that were subject to invasion. They were fortresses with strong walls that limited the space for the inhabitants. Almost all ancient walled cities built their houses tightly against each other.
  

  
  
  
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  It's Over Johnny....The Demise of Jehovah's Witnesses

  by ctrwtf in

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  i think i've mentioned before that from time to time my commute on the bqe takes me past the old factory buildings and the soon to be former headquarters building.

  i was struck the other day with how shabby they've become.

  even 25 columbia heights, still currently occupied, its facade is filthy.

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  Just noticed that if you type in JW(.)ORG be sure to edit it by puting the . in parenthesis (.) to break the automatic link.
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  It's Over Johnny....The Demise of Jehovah's Witnesses

  by ctrwtf in

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  i think i've mentioned before that from time to time my commute on the bqe takes me past the old factory buildings and the soon to be former headquarters building.

  i was struck the other day with how shabby they've become.

  even 25 columbia heights, still currently occupied, its facade is filthy.

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  It's kind of like their featured article on their web-site.

  "Jehovah's Witnesses-Who Are We?"

  They have an identity problem. So they got a tatoo - JW(.)ORG
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  It's Over Johnny....The Demise of Jehovah's Witnesses

  by ctrwtf in

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  i think i've mentioned before that from time to time my commute on the bqe takes me past the old factory buildings and the soon to be former headquarters building.

  i was struck the other day with how shabby they've become.

  even 25 columbia heights, still currently occupied, its facade is filthy.

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  I didn't say JW's are moving out of NYC because of a nuclear threat.

  I'm saying that there is always the possibility for them to claim that the move was providential if something does happen.
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  It's Over Johnny....The Demise of Jehovah's Witnesses

  by ctrwtf in

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  i think i've mentioned before that from time to time my commute on the bqe takes me past the old factory buildings and the soon to be former headquarters building.

  i was struck the other day with how shabby they've become.

  even 25 columbia heights, still currently occupied, its facade is filthy.

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  scotoma

  With terrorism the way it is maybe it's a wise decision to move out of the epicenter of what many experts think is the target for a future terrorist attack with a low yield nuclear device.

  It wouldn't surprise me if Russia pulled this off and blamed it on terrorists.

  Nuclear contamination from what is called a "dirty" device would turn the area into a worthless ghost town.

  Even Obama said he is more worried about Terrorist with one nuclear weapon than Russia with thousands.

  Don't say it will never happen. Twelve years ago Warren Buffet said an act of Nuclear Terrorism in a major american city (New York Prime Target) is not a matter of "if" but "when".

  Who would have thought14 years ago Putin would be consoling the United States over 9/11. And now Russia fits nicely into the Watchtower's old interpretation of Daniel.
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  YOU 'THINK' YOU ARE FREE when you leave the Org. . . but it can be an ILLUSION

  by Terry in

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  did you know there is nothing more insane than being partly indoctrinated and partly free?.

  the level of cognitive dissonance is ridiculous!.

  i have told this story before, so i'll shorten it to cut to the chase.. in 1987, i was dating a professional psychotherapist with a view to marriage.

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  I know this will touch a nerve with some here but St. Raymond (aka Ray Franz) was a prime example of this.

  He learned all the fallacies to refute the teachings of JW's but he couldn't make the leap back over the chasm and accept evolution as the explanation for life on earth.
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  What Was Your Body of Elders Like?

  by minimus in

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  were they pretty much a good group of men?

  we're they jerks?.

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  All body No mind.
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  The World Seems to Think Putin Is King of The North

  by scotoma in

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  this past october geoffrey jackson told the audience at the watchtower corporate meeting that "they aren't sure who the new king of the north is".. this was applauded as new light.

  but if you look up the search terms putin king of the north your won't see jw.org pop up as a top search result.

  i checked through the first 100 results and n-o-t-h-i-n-g.. isn't interpretation of prophecy the special territory of the jw's.

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  This past October Geoffrey Jackson told the audience at the Watchtower Corporate Meeting that "They Aren't Sure Who the New King of The North Is".

  This was applauded as NEW LIGHT. But if you look up the search terms PUTIN KING OF THE NORTH your won't see jw.org pop up as a top search result. I checked through the first 100 results and N-O-T-H-I-N-G.

  Isn't interpretation of prophecy the special territory of the JW's. You mean they are sidelined? Certainly looks like it. If ceilibate Fred Franz were alive today the events going on between Russia and the USA would be like a wet dream for him.

  So here is what you see when you look up PUTIN KING OF THE NORTH

  Is Vladimir Putin the Prophesied ‘Prince of Rosh’?
  From the February 2014 Trumpet Print Edition »
  Russia’s president is taking on authoritarian power and restoring the Soviet empire. Biblical
  prophecy speaks of a tyrant from that area committing some shocking acts. Is President Putin
  going to fulfill that prophecy?

  https://www.thetrumpet.com/article/11228.30958.161.0/asia/russia/is-vladimir-putin-the-prophes
  ied-prince-of-rosh

  Vladimir Putin - the last King of the North?

  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLCo0oquWgAIz35F2U0PFxeGdXrFh5bdOD

  Putin, the “King of the North” and the King of Babylon

  Previously, the King of Babylon was a weapon in the hand of the Creator to punish the children
  of Israel for their violation of the Law.
  
  The question now is whether Putin, as the current iteration of the “king of the North”, will be a
  weapon in the hand of the Creator to punish the children of Israel for not only their worship of
  the “golden calf” Zionist state that claims to be Israel; but, also, for their repudiation, denial and
  contradiction of the Doctrine of “the resurrection” as a Doctrine of ‘Rebirth’…
  
  Or whether yet another iteration of the fractal Prophecies of Chapter 11, verses 40-45 of the
  Book of Daniel will be required.
  
  http://beforeitsnews.com/prophecy/2014/03/putin-the-king-of-the-north-and-the-king-of-babylon-
  2459182.html

  Putin Returns to Russia’s Presidency And Has Prophetic Goals

  http://www.cogwriter.com/news/prophecy/putin-returns-to-russias-presidency-and-has-prophetic-
  goals/

  Is Putin the Antichrist? Is Putin Gog? [Ezekiel 38-39] |

  http://p2alm.com/2014/03/03/is-putin-the-antichrist-is-putin-gog-ezekiel-38-39/

  UPDATE...KING OF THE NORTH MAKES HIS MOVES.

  http://prophecyinthemaking.blogspot.com/2014/03/king-of-north-makes-his-move.html

  Is Vladimir Putin the Beast of Revelation?

  Russia’s recent aggressiveness has caused some to ask if it could have a role in end-time
  prophecy. Could Vladimir Putin be the “beast” of Revelation?
  Many people are vaguely familiar with the mysterious “beast” found in the book of Revelation.
  The beast is described in Revelation 13:1: “And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having
  seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name.”

  Of course, students of Bible prophecy understand that the book of Revelation uses symbolic
  images to represent literal things. This prophecy is not talking about a literal monstrous creature
  that will rise out of the ocean. In Bible prophecy, a “beast” represents a government or political
  ruler (Daniel 7:17).

  Within the past year, the world has witnessed Vladimir Putin act in ways that are reminiscent of
  the era of Benito Mussolini, Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin. All of these men, and others like
  Saddam Hussein, have been the subject of speculation about the identity of the “beast.” Putin
  has:

  Supported dangerous regimes around the world (Iran, Syria and Venezuela).
  Limited free speech within Russia.
  Seized opportunities to exploit American weaknesses.
  Annexed Crimea from Ukraine and is currently threatening to intervene in eastern Ukraine.
  Since the beast is also referred to as “the king of the North” in Daniel 11, could Mr. Putin be that
  final beast of Revelation who will plunge the world into war and usher in the return of Jesus
  Christ? Russia is, after all, located north of almost every other country.

  http://lifehopeandtruth.com/prophecy/blog/is-vladimir-putin-the-beast-of-revelation/

  Whose Side Is God on Now? (By Patrick Buchannan)

  In his Kremlin defense of Russia's annexation of Crimea, Vladimir Putin, even before he began
  listing the battles where Russian blood had been shed on Crimean soil, spoke of an older deeper
  bond.

  Crimea, said Putin, "is the location of ancient Khersones, where Prince Vladimir was baptized.
  His spiritual feat of adopting Orthodoxy predetermined the overall basis of the culture,
  civilization and human values that unite the peoples of Russia, Ukraine and Belarus."

  Russia is a Christian country, Putin was saying.

  This speech recalls last December's address where the former KGB chief spoke of Russia as
  standing against a decadent West:

  "Many Euro-Atlantic countries have moved away from their roots, including Christian values.
  Policies are being pursued that place on the same level a multi-child family and a same-sex
  partnership, a faith in God and a belief in Satan. This is the path to degradation."

  Heard any Western leader, say, Barack Obama, talk like that lately?

  Indicting the "Bolsheviks" who gave away Crimea to Ukraine, Putin declared, "May God judge
  them."

  What is going on here?

  With Marxism-Leninism a dead faith, Putin is saying the new ideological struggle is between a
  debauched West led by the United States and a traditionalist world Russia would be proud to
  lead.

  In the new war of beliefs, Putin is saying, it is Russia that is on God's side. The West is
  Gomorrah.

  Western leaders who compare Putin's annexation of Crimea to Hitler's Anschluss with Austria,
  who dismiss him as a "KGB thug," who call him "the alleged thief, liar and murderer who rules
  Russia," as the Wall Street Journal's Holman Jenkins did, believe Putin's claim to stand on higher
  moral ground is beyond blasphemous.

  But Vladimir Putin knows exactly what he is doing, and his new claim has a venerable lineage.
  The ex-Communist Whittaker Chambers who exposed Alger Hiss as a Soviet spy, was, at the
  time of his death in 1964, writing a book on "The Third Rome."

  The first Rome was the Holy City and seat of Christianity that fell to Odoacer and his barbarians
  in 476 A.D. The second Rome was Constantinople, Byzantium, (today's Istanbul), which fell to
  the Turks in 1453. The successor city to Byzantium, the Third Rome, the last Rome to the old
  believers, was — Moscow.

  Putin is entering a claim that Moscow is the Godly City of today and command post of the
  counter-reformation against the new paganism. End of quote

  1975 was the most disastarous failure of understanding prophecy JW's have known. Even 1914 hasn't been discredited in their eyes - yet. But 1975 was a signal year that the Faithful and Discreet Slave's Chief Wizard was really Chief of the smoke machine. Of all the years for the following statement is this taken from February 1975 Questions from Readers.

  "From that time onward God’s people have been experiencing a continued increase in spiritual knowledge and in understanding prophecy. This is in harmony with Daniel 12:4: “As for you, O Daniel, make secret the words and seal up the book, until the time of the end. Many will rove about [in the book], and the true knowledge will become abundant.” Accordingly, “that which is complete” refers to the full understanding of God’s purpose as revealed in the Bible."

  It now appears that quite a few soothsayers of the world are saying what the Watchtower would like to be in a position to say but they have lost their credibility and their mouths aren't free to speak.
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  Will the Image Meaning Change?

  by Theredeemer in

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  http://finance.yahoo.com/news/official-america-now-no-2-150936444.html.

  how will the dubs spin this?.

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  The United States is still the dominant financial power in the world.

  China is a remote slave force to produce products for the people of the United States.

  It's cheaper to maintain slaves in their own land because it doesn't cost as much to sustain them.

  If the United States, otherwise identified as Babylon The Great, goes down perhaps from an attack of the Russian King of The North all the merchants will mourn because there is no one to buy their full stock of goods.

  The pivotal mistake of JW's is that Babylon the Great is false religion. Once the get that worked out the rest of the prophecies will make sense.
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  My views.

  by ivanatahan in

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  this is more of an introductory post discussing my views and background than anything else, really.. i was, unfortunately, born into this religion.

  my mom was, and still is, a pioneer (or as some call it: "piousneer"), and my father is an elder.

  admittedly, up until a few months up to a year back, i was indeed a zealous "servant of jehovah".

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  Most people stay in volunteer based organizations for fraternity and a social life.

  Lately more options are being presented for social networking on the internet. Even this website has its meet-ups (mini-conventions).

  The motives of the rank and file of volunteer organizations cluster around sharing common experiences.

  Kids that were raised as JW's and left still seek each other to hang out and swap stories about the crappy assembly food (in some cases excellent assembly food), parties, getting chewed out for underage drinking etc.

  However, there are the hard-core fanatics who are in the organization for power, glory, privilege, platform time. These are the ass holes. They are basically authoritarian personalities that are closed minded and have never had an orginal thought - never taken a risk in their entire lives.

  The vast majority of members and leaders alike subscribe to the basic teachings but they diverge on what they find rewarding.

  Those who are in for social reasons will leave when they develop more interesting social options.

  Those who are in for power will leave when they lose out in a power struggle. You will see some of these on this site trying to bully and push others around as if they were still King Elders.