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  Why did Ray Franz leave the Organization? Your Opinion Matters!

  by SanLuisObispoTruthSeeker in

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  what would make a man throw away all his earthly riches to expose the cult?

  what did ray franz have to gain by leaving in total poverty?

  if ray franz had stayed in place, he could have lived like a god, why did he leave?

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  fulano

  He would have died with less if he , the idol, would have stayed.
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  Confidential News from Spain from an "Insider"

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  http://watchtowerdocuments.org/confidential-news-from-spain/.

  the following email was sent to watchtower documents recently from a witness insider in spain.

  congratulations for all the information you have given on the legal framework of the watchtower.. in spain, the watchtower is following the instructions coming from patterson that works exclusively with the law firm baker & mckenzie.

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  fulano

  No it has to do with seniority, nothing with so called importance. 15 years Bethel or missionary, they Will Hardly ask you to leave.

  That's according to the missionary book which we had to read and sign every year. And I have seen it in the practice.

  Don't say things without knowledge please.
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  Why did Ray Franz leave the Organization? Your Opinion Matters!

  by SanLuisObispoTruthSeeker in

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  what would make a man throw away all his earthly riches to expose the cult?

  what did ray franz have to gain by leaving in total poverty?

  if ray franz had stayed in place, he could have lived like a god, why did he leave?

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  fulano

  What do you mean??? He probably would have died with much less when hè would have stayed.
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  Why did Ray Franz leave the Organization? Your Opinion Matters!

  by SanLuisObispoTruthSeeker in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what would make a man throw away all his earthly riches to expose the cult?

  what did ray franz have to gain by leaving in total poverty?

  if ray franz had stayed in place, he could have lived like a god, why did he leave?

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  fulano

  What would make a man throw away all his earthly riches to expose the Cult? What did Ray Franz have to gain by leaving in total poverty? If Ray Franz had stayed in place, he could have lived like a god, why did he leave? I know it's all speculation but I can't understand why Ray Franz would throw away his god-hood by leaving the Borg. Men like Tony Morriss and Stevie Lett enjoy all the praise and homage given them by uneducated JWs, what made Ray Franz sacrifice his life so we could know the Truth-About-The-Truth?
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  One language in the new system

  by OneEyedJoe in

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  so at the convention, one of the talks was about how all people will speak a single language in the new system.

  my ears perked up when i heard at the outset "now, we can't be dogmatic about this" because that immediately makes me think that they're backing away from a previously dogmatic stance.

  he went on to say that everyone will be speaking hebrew in the new system because "evidently" (another word that gets my ears to perk up these days) that was what was spoken before the languages were confused at bable.

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  fulano

  We Will speak Dutch !
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  I am leaving my wife...

  by fulano in

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  and i feel sad.

  everything happened so fast, 1999 back from patterson, 2000 inactive and no longer an elder, 2001 smoking everything that planet earth offers, and now in love with a girl for a couple of months.

  i feel sad but liberated.

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  fulano

  Thanks for your kind postings! No I am not sad anymore. Happy as one could be, accepting things like not seeing my familie anymore, exept my brother who lives close to me and who also left the org. That sometimes frustrates when you see other families united, but that's how it is.
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  I am leaving my wife...

  by fulano in

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  and i feel sad.

  everything happened so fast, 1999 back from patterson, 2000 inactive and no longer an elder, 2001 smoking everything that planet earth offers, and now in love with a girl for a couple of months.

  i feel sad but liberated.

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  fulano

  I read my original post from 11 yeras ago.

  Despite all the good advices you gave me, I left my wife and I married the girl in 2004 and in september we will be married for 10 fine and happy years.
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  How is the org really run? What goes on behind the scenes?

  by Magnum in

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  how is the org really run?

  what goes on behind the scenes?.

  i just read an older post on this site that was recently bumped (http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/6600/1/don-adams-biography) the post mentioned the adams brothers don, karl, & joel and how influential they are/were at headquarters.

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  fulano

  [quote]

  The Governing Body members are no longer Directors on the WTBTS. The WTBTS controls all the money and assets as well as much more. They are the recognized legal entity by law.

  If the WTBTS decided to ignore the Governing Body then the Governing Body would need to sue the WTBTS in order to gain control, if it is at all possible and recognized in the current Charter. The Governing Body members do not have much money to fight the WTBTS.

  I am unable to find the current WTBTS Charter. The only one that I can find is the 1945 Charter but there have been a number of changes made to that since then. It would be insightful to know how the Charter currently addresses the authority of the Governing Body.

  Does anyone know why the 1945 Charter is readily available but the current charter is not?"[/quote]

  I know two members of the Wtbts, one died, an old missionary in the DR, the other one still alive, a branch coordinator. They deeply respect and respected the GB, and even accepted the smallest and most modest room at Bethel at the time of the annual meeting.

  Sorry but I still don't know how to quote proporly nor adjust profile on this site.
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  loesch likes C of C

  by bigmac in

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  fulano

  I don't blame you lack of knowledge and education is a disadvantage anywhere.
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  by bigmac in

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  fulano

  I worked during my missionary-service for a year in Brooklyn and Patterson, and lived in the same building as Lösch, The Bossert, the beautiful renovated hotel. I have met him several times in the library and had some conversations with him (half german half english), and he was very kind and interested in the missionary work. As I was the homeoverseer of the missionary-home in my assignment I invited hime to come over for a week or so on the island we served.

  Then I mentioned the name of a german couple that lived with us and he was in the same Gilead class as that german brother. He really went there a couple of months after I had to leave for another assignment. We also met some times in the local liquor store in Montaguestraat where he used to buy botles of wine without shame or hipocresy, other bethelites would go to other stores in Brooklyn...or maybe because it was cheaper there :).

  So I can't have a bad impression of him, the same as Jack Barr, he was in my congregation and offered inmediatly his own room in Patterson when I told him we had to go there, "nicer than the guest-rooms" , he said.

  Ray Franz, I never met him but have first-hand stories from older missionaries who worked with him.

  One told me at the time he was a district-overseer in Puerto Rico and that missionary took him to bible-studies, he just let the missionary go into the house and told him it was to hot to get out, "you do your study and I will read the newspaper",... in the car with the A/C on. So what kind of person does that? There are many more things about him that's why I hate the almost adoring style the way some ex jw's talk about him or taking nicknames as Ray Franz or Frantz, no offence but are you not getting from one cult to another?