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  Watchtower on Demon Materialization

  by Marvin Shilmer in

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  watchtower on demon materialization .

  i added a new article to my blog about watchtower teaching on demon materialization.

  my article is titled watchtower on demon materialization and is available at: http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2011/06/watchtower-on-demon-materialization.html.

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  RagingBull

  WTF?? LOL!
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  How honest is the Watchtower (about its own history)?

  by Fernando in

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  RagingBull

  yep. Religion is a Snare and a Racket! ... and what's the status of the JWs? A RELIGION. Oh, but that's not a snare or racket. (not a cult either. yeah right)
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  C.O. visit means...stumping apostasy!

  by RagingBull in

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  this week, our c.o.

  is visiting the cong.

  great.

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  RagingBull

  @CoC - that went thru my mind. I wondered if she would be married off at 16, 17 or 18yrs of age since she's so Mature. I think Spiritual Maturity takes longer in a lot of cases than physical and mental maturity.
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  C.O. visit means...stumping apostasy!

  by RagingBull in

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  this week, our c.o.

  is visiting the cong.

  great.

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  RagingBull

  Good info guys. (special thanks to JWFACTS...your site was the alarm clock that got me to "wake up" literally.) It's all becoming so "laughable" now. I know 4 Elders on my side of town that are 32yrs or younger. I'm sure there's more. I know the C.O. will be curious about me since I haven't reported time in 5 to 6 months. Maybe he'll ask for me to quit my job so I can preach. He once bragged at an assembly about how swiftly they DF'd a sister for working in one of the FBI's administrative offices. (Its only a gov't job, not the military. Guess she would've been privy to what's on file about the Watchtower)
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  Why not leave?

  by ifonly789 in

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  i've noticed on my brief time on these forums that there seems to be quite a few that have serious doubts about the org or know of all the lies etc of it but still go to meetings or even still serve as a ms or elder.. i'm just curious as to why you still bother going?

  no offense meant here...i'm not being all judgemental like typical jws but am curious.

  i'm guessing a lot of it is down to not wanting to break up the family or losing relatives etc.

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  WontLeave, you're awesome! I saved that paper too!
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  Hypocricy of JW stance on shunning those disfellowshipped from the congregation?

  by corpusdei in

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  i was doing some research on an tangentally related topic when i came across this gem, from the 7/1/1986 watchtower, in a paragraph discussing the cost of integrity:.

  certainly when a person becomes a christian witness of jehovah, he suddenly finds out who are his true friends.

  some will perhaps shun or boycott him because he has abandoned his former religion, even though they themselves do not practice any religion properly.

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  Wontleave hit the nail on the head. As I read it, I thought they were talking about themselves. (the JWs) LOL!!!

  I've never had an "apostate" ask me to FOLLOW THEM. I've never had an apostate tell me that LOYALTY TO THEM, is more precious than my OWN CHILD'S LIFE!

  An "apostate" has never told me NOT to think for myself. And most "apostates" can show me the SOURCE of where they get their info. Can YOU WATCHTOWER????
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  Why not leave?

  by ifonly789 in

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  i've noticed on my brief time on these forums that there seems to be quite a few that have serious doubts about the org or know of all the lies etc of it but still go to meetings or even still serve as a ms or elder.. i'm just curious as to why you still bother going?

  no offense meant here...i'm not being all judgemental like typical jws but am curious.

  i'm guessing a lot of it is down to not wanting to break up the family or losing relatives etc.

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  RagingBull

  Well, Ifonly, it seems that you were super-lucky. For many of us it is not as easy. You have the "DREAM SITUATION". So, you can imagine...but you cannot really "relate" to many of our situations. Why go? Well...if you don't, members (Elders, C.O.s, spouses etc) will question your reason for not going. They will ask if you still BELIEVE that this is the TRUTH. Careful how you answer this question. Any signs of disloyalty...you risk being labeled an apostate and DF'd. Many in the cong. will assume you're "read off" for immorality, but eventually everyone will know you are an "Apostate".

  They will ASSUME that you "Don't want to serve Jehovah (which really they should say the GB) anymore" and no matter what you feel about Jehovah or Jesus Christ...it will not matter b/c no one will talk to you to get your say on the matter. They will not want to hear anything you have to say about spiritual matters at all.

  Your spouse can leave you for "Spiritual Endangerment" now...she can take the kids with her. You will be viewed by everyone, maybe even your own kids as EVIL. And the wife will look squeeky clean and righteous to the congregation. Imagine seeing your kids one weekend and your 6yr old daughter asks "Daddy, why don't you Love Jehovah anymore?"

  If one is lucky enough to keep the family in tact while the spouse still goes to meetings, you have to let your kids go with them...to at least appear to be "reasonable" and loving otherwise you'll be a villian. Oh and in that case, you can't pray over your family (meals, bedtime etc)...your JW wife is now the "head of the household - spiritually". What fun could you have on family vacation, or on weekends? beats me.

  Now, if your question is pointed more toward SINGLE people with little to no JW family...I would have to ask the same question, because I know I would leave in an instant. Unfortunately...I was totally "IN IT" when I was single...and have just found out the REAL Truth over the past year.
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  Strategizing against the WTBTS

  by Essan in

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  could we be doing more brothers and sisters?

  i'm sure i'm not alone in wishing that there was more we could do to hasten the demise of the wtbts and to speed up the exodus of it's members.

  and i'm sure i'm not alone in thinking of possible ways to do this.. one which i have been considering lately is to make use of the fact that many who leave the organization actually leave the area, move away, and start a new life.

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  Interesting thought, but there are some issues...as you've seen by now. Once you're out, I think its best to just let the others find their way. If one expresses doubts, then proceed to put a "bug in their ear" about some crucial points. Can't give them too much at once. (DIDN'T work for me.) I had had to stumble upon these sites and Youtube vids on my own. A co-worker told me that Russell was most likely a Mason. Type a search in Google for that...and all kinds of stuff pop up. I've always been a bit rebellious, but I must admit. I had a friend who turned "Apostate" yeeeears ago. We treated him as if he was possessed by demons. Silly of us.

  The best way to be is to "not worry" about other members. Family included. I know that I could loose the benefit of socializing with my JW friends and family...but I do know and can see (from many of the friends here) that life does go on...and one can be more successful in his life than when he was IN the Society.

  If you try to get person's out...the will totally label you apostate for trying to have them "follow you" out. I've thought about maybe once a month going door to door, right behind the Witnesses in FS to warn the householders of what they teach and give examples of their policies. But I wouldn't try too hard once I'm out.

  The Best Way I think ... would be for someone to film a new Documentary on the Witnesses...catch them in lies...show their contradictions (WTBTS publications and videos) I love the Youtube vid of the elder on the stand saying that Witnesses do not SHUN family. Let ex-JWs tell their side of the story and why they left. Film (if they let you) that person's family or friends that have shunned them and let them explain why they have no dealings with such ones who do not show their LOYALTY to an ORGANIZATION. Let the world REALLY SEE their LOVE. Their TRUE COLORS.
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  I don't get these women!

  by serenitynow! in

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  the jw women who are willing to dump their husband if he ceases to believe.

  especially if they have children, i mean what are they thinking?

  do they think that it would be better to be a single parent?

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  Holy Crap @Honesty...I'm just reading your post. LOL.... My wife said "I will not leave in a spiritually divided house"...I told her "You're going to live with your parents? (she and her mom barely get along anyway because they both know everything about everything.) What grounds could you...." and she cut in with "Spiritual Endangerment" I hadn't even heard that one before. Looks like she's been talking to someone or doing some research.

  The Elders would back it up though b/c they can have the JW mate finding out the same REAL TRUTHS that the ex-JW mate found. "GET HER AWAY FROM THAT INTERNET SAVY APOSTATE!!!" LOL that's what they'd think.
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  I don't get these women!

  by serenitynow! in

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  the jw women who are willing to dump their husband if he ceases to believe.

  especially if they have children, i mean what are they thinking?

  do they think that it would be better to be a single parent?

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  Oh yeah, a spouse can separate from the ex-JW or "Independant Thinking JW" for "SPIRITUAL ENDANGERMENT". (yeah, My wife pulled that out on me once) The Elders would "understand" that and it is an acceptable reason. They can't have both the husband and wife not attending meetings and giving $$$$ to the org. Besides...she'd be just another "possibility" for the brothers to keep their eyes on.