Posts by Lied2NoMore

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Great idea from Whathappened? package for those facing a JC.

by hamsterbait in

he suggests that just as elders are given a package for fighting court custody cases (what to say do bring etc).

those facing a jc should have a package for dealing with a situation where the elduhs want to "talk with you.".

hows about we start to make one?.

Lied2NoMore

Once they lying and manipulation is exposed, then the world court of public opinion and governments will step in on OUR side. REMEMBER, all the places where JW's are persecuted or restricted or like in Russia, once were allowed but NO MORE?

This is the result of governments stepping in to protect the rights of individuals. I would love to send a congratulatory letter stating our support of the WT ban and harassment in Russia. THANK them for protecting it's citizens from the harmful effects of the cult!

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Great idea from Whathappened? package for those facing a JC.

by hamsterbait in

he suggests that just as elders are given a package for fighting court custody cases (what to say do bring etc).

those facing a jc should have a package for dealing with a situation where the elduhs want to "talk with you.".

hows about we start to make one?.

Lied2NoMore

We need to show the world how the WT lies to hide how manipulative and controlling they are.

For example, if a newly interested one asked if they were required to follow every dictate and doctrine the WT puts out, and if the doctrine changes, are they required to accept it?

ALL JW's to the highest levels would say NO! OF COURSE NOT!

And if they don't accept, are they allowed to walk away without reprocussion, every JW to the highest levels would say YES! Anyone is FREE to do as they wish without reprocussion!

BUT a recorded JC with the accused telling the elders they don't buy all the doctrines and teachings of the WT highlighting changes, and seeing the end result of DF-ing would be a powerful tool in swaying unsuspecting ones to staw the HELL away!

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Resigned being an elder

by subytrek in

jw
friends

i am new here and this is my first post although i have lurked here for a couple years.

i started having doubts about the org back then and my curiosity overcame my fear of so-called apostate websites so here i am.

i just resigned being an elder 2 weeks ago.

Lied2NoMore

I want to say congrats and well done, but two things concern me. Based on my quitting as a servant I think you become a target of suspicion way more easily. So bad for you. Also what bothers me is the org begging for men to reach out has netted some pretty young new meat to fill positions that are vacated. Last weekends assembly a young guy looking all of 17 was introduced as an elder. It was all the control I could muster to not say holy shit! Out loud. Wish you all my best in your exit

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Great idea from Whathappened? package for those facing a JC.

by hamsterbait in

he suggests that just as elders are given a package for fighting court custody cases (what to say do bring etc).

those facing a jc should have a package for dealing with a situation where the elduhs want to "talk with you.".

hows about we start to make one?.

Lied2NoMore

I DON'T THINK THE ISSUE IS TO BE RIGHT OR SWAY THE JC ELDERS THINKING. HERE IS THE ISSUE: RECORD THE PROCEEDINGS AND ASK ENOUGH QUESTIONS AND THE RIGHT QUESTIONS TO EXPOSE THE WT / MIND CONTROL / DOCTRINES / PRACTICES SO IT IS AVAILABLE FOR THE WORLD TO SEE.. REMEMBER DURING THE NAZI REGIME THOSE UNDER HITLER FOLLOWED ORDERS AND LATER WERE PROSECUTED FOR WAR CRIMES. THIS IS HOW WE WANT THE WT TO FALL. WITH LOTS OF ATTENTION AND NOTORIETY.

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Great idea from Whathappened? package for those facing a JC.

by hamsterbait in

he suggests that just as elders are given a package for fighting court custody cases (what to say do bring etc).

those facing a jc should have a package for dealing with a situation where the elduhs want to "talk with you.".

hows about we start to make one?.

Lied2NoMore

YES! A manual of sorts..I want to work on that. My line of questions will start with "on who's behalf are you taking this action"? WTBTS or the corporation that identifies your local congregation. "Are any of you brothers represented by legal council"? "Do any of you brothers carry insurance to cover lawsuits due to acts of defamation or violation of civil rights"? "Do you brothers have certifications or licensing that lawfully allow you to deal with mentally diseased individuals or with other health problems affecting their mental health"?

I could keep going but I just revealed some of my starter questions formy JC manual.

Also if we get enough JC's recorded we could start a website : www.judicial ommitterecordings.com

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Anyone here been Dfd for 'apostacy'?

by Julia Orwell in

just wanna know.

i'm doing the fade but i reckon my big mouth could get me dfd.

i know plenty who've been dfd for fornication/adultery, but never met one dfd for speaking the truth.

Lied2NoMore

@RayP.....Go for you! A suggestion is to research all the threads on here about this topic, then compose it, and get everyone's feedback on here and then keep improving it. It could potentially benefit hundreds or even thousands that need it.

I saw your videos, and saw your recording device, here is my choice for recording my JC:

http://www.spytecinc.com/video-devices/nanny-cams-hidden-camera/zetta-z11-motion-activated-spy-camera.html

gonna hollow out a book or organizer to hide it in

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Anyone here been Dfd for 'apostacy'?

by Julia Orwell in

just wanna know.

i'm doing the fade but i reckon my big mouth could get me dfd.

i know plenty who've been dfd for fornication/adultery, but never met one dfd for speaking the truth.

Lied2NoMore

I just "outed" myself to two elders last week, but i have a strategy in place to stop their proceeding with a JC.

I have just a FEW friends I regularily associate with who I don't want to be cut off from. Family too.

I am going to try out my list of compelling questions that I am sure will stop the JC process in it's tracks.

Put elders on the complete defensive and get them reeling in wonder whether they really have the right to meet with me.

If it goes as planned I'm planning on producing a "manual" for others to use to defend against the JC process.

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Why Watchtower fights dirty in its war against "apostates"

by cedars in

i've just finished putting together an article that attempts to articulate the frustrations faced by those like me in the "apostate" community who are increasingly frustrated by the watchtower's use of dirty tricks in its fight against them.. http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/secrecy-and-deception-watchtower-fights-dirty-in-its-war-against-apostates.

ordinary witnesses are unaware that the watchtower is not fighting apostates on a level playing field.

i highlight three key areas in which this is so.... 1. the huge disparity in how information is presented (i.e.

Lied2NoMore

it would be great to get south park creators to do an eposode where cartman decides to become a JW and expose all the crazy shit about the WT doctrines practices and teachings like they did with scientology

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Who songs that remind me of the jehovahs witnesses

by hoser in

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friends

two that come to mind are.

my generation and.

won't get fooled again.

Lied2NoMore

Squeeze box....I always sing along with that one when JW's are around or not

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Curious About My Disfellowshipping.

by vajeni82 in

i recently read an interesting thread (is there a 'third' way to leave?

) that talked about fading instead of being df'd or da'd.

i myself had planned to fade, but was df'd instead.

Lied2NoMore

here is my life experience: first time i left, no-one cared, no-one bothered me or came after me. BUT i was never that active.

10 years after inactivity i rejoined, My second entry i went all out, progressed, was regular, became an MS, gave public talks, the whole bit.

almost an elder, then just quit. I am being hounded and followed which has made me paranoid.

I think i fixed that after a sit down with two elders sunday though. I just let them have it verbally. probly gonna get DF'd now

Depends on your level of activity and visibility is how I see it.