Farkel: Funny as hell. I've said it for years. Who would want to live forever in the WT's depiction of paradise? Elders are intolerable as it is right now. Imagine how arrogant they would be if they thought they were "Princes". Too bad lions don't eat elders in the new system.
mcsemike
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Satan Takes a Trip
by Farkel injehovah ushers satan into his presence.. jehovah: "listen satan, the thousand year reign is just about up, and according to the bible, i've gotta let you go back to earth and tempt the people, so you'd better go down and see what's happening before you get to work.
damn.
i wished i had picked another book to endorse besides that bible.
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What was the most profound spiritual moment of your life?
by cluless inmine was simply the realisation that if a person had faith they wouldnt need a religon.. infact not associating with any religouse association is a bit like being on the oceon in a rowing boat.
but the thing is i dont care if the oceon gets rough.
it doesnt matter not having the answers.
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mcsemike
Mine was when I knew two things. First, if there is a God, he wasn't using the WT at all and wasn't using any other group either. Secondly, after leaving the JW's, I returned to my previous position of being an agnostic. I now feel the existence of god cannot be proven or disproven.
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Reject Worldly Fantasies, Pursue Kingdumb Realities?
by WTWizard inaccording to the feb 2009 kingdumb misery, this is the title of the new hounder-hounder talks for public talks starting march 1. now, i can only imagine worldly fantasies include having a family, a reasonable measure of health and security, and being able to live a decent life.
kingdumb reality means throwing your life away out in field circus, attending boasting sessions, dutifully studying washtowel publications every tuesday all evening, and dying stagnant and having produced zero value in your own life.
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mcsemike
I wonder how much that CO would tell people to make field service their career if he knew he was going to be let go from Bethel at the age of 55 or 60 with no skills (except spreading manure on farms), no pension, and no medical.
After decades of failed prophecies and poor families growing old with no help, you'd think they would learn. If not the GB, at least the publishers.
"JW's are just like mushrooms. Keep them in the dark and feed them manure."
I rest my case.
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Suicide
by is there help out there inthe holidays are a time when some people get depressed and commit suicide.
has any one in there congration commited suicide and what was the reacion by the other members.
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mcsemike
Cruzanheart: I'm very sorry about your Dad. I lost a family member due to similar circumstances but they weren't JW's. But they were hurt by them. The WTS claims that whatever happens to a DF'd person or someone who quits is totally the person's fault. It is NOT. The WTS is directly responsible for any harm to anyone due to their Nazi tactics. I'm glad you sent that letter. It shows that the rank and file are NOT going to take this BS any longer. The world is closing in on Ted Jaracz and the rest of his Gestapo buddies.
I'm compiling a list of all the media people that I can find who will look into this baby-raping cult. I should have a good amount by next year. I'll make it available when I can.
Good health to all and Happy Holidays.
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WT lies
by Newborn inwhat's the biggest lie of the wt sect, according to you?.
just curious.... /newborn.
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mcsemike
I would agree with Farkel.
From the WT's claim that they "speak for God", or as they teach it "everything we say you must do or you'll die, and if we change our mind, you must do so also, no matter how stupid or silly we act, you must believe us, and so forth", from all of this we get mental illness, deaths, suicides, misery, broken homes, murder, rape and child abuse, drug addiction, and all the rest.
Were not all of the above problems the very things that Jesus tried to help honest-hearted people to avoid in their lives??
To WT lurkers who still defend the Nazis at Bethel: How much more proof do you need? Are all of you brain donors?? What the hell is left for you to see before you leave this baby-raping cult?
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Did You NOT Do Certain Things For People Because U Had To Get Your Time In?
by minimus ini knew many people that were in need of assistance within the congregation that never got helped because the "friends" were more focused on getting their field service time in as opposed to helping those within the "brotherhood".
were you one of those ever in need that got ignored because the brothers and sisters were more involved in "theocratic" pursuits?.
were you one of those that routinely ignored the needy because you had more important spiritual responsibilities to take care of?.
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mcsemike
To FlyingHighNow: When I was appointed a book study conductor almost 30 years ago, one of the few kind elders we had was discussing helping JW's to get to the meetings. He said he could never understand how most JW's (at least in his experience) would drive miles out of their way to pick up a "Bible study" on a regular basis, yet never pick up a baptized publisher who might have been a JW for years. He said "why spend all that effort and time on a "maybe" or even a "probably not" when there are "definitely JW's for decades" trying to find a ride? I guess it kind of ties in with what you said.
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mcsemike
Is blood puddng an alternate choice?
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Doctrinal ramifications of large increase in 2008 memorial partakers?
by yadda yadda 2 inthe nearly 10% increase in partakers at the memorial in the 2008 annual service report is a huge increase.
there were increases in the previous years too.. this massive increase is no doubt attributeable to the 'new light' this year that the calling of the 'heavenly class' was not closed in 1935, as previously taught.
the new understanding this year is that the calling of the 'anointed' class is 'evidently' still open.
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mcsemike
Years ago, it became evident that the JW's alive today who said they were anointed, plus the "anointed" that the WT insists existed for the past 2,000 years, totalled way more than 144k. They then started to say that just because 300,000 first century Christians claimed to be anointed doesn't mean they were. This was their feeble attempt to keep the numbers down. They couldn't ignore the numbers in this time period, so they said that the numbers from the past were not accurate.
Aside from the colossal arrogance of the WTS judging people whom the apostles possibly "laid their hands on" or were in good standing then, they are faced with a mathematical contradiction. The first century plus the hundreds or thousands that must have existed throughout the Dark Ages, added to today's figures, totals (according to some historians and I don't recall where I saw it) into the millions. The WTS has painted themselves into a corner that NO ONE can get out of.
I just wish that those weasels would just admit they don't know a god damn thing about any god or the Bible. They already do enough damage in the world without lying in this area. I wouldn't be surprised if some day it became a disfellowshipping offense to claim to be anointed unless they approved. Like they "own" God and the Bible. I think they view God as a pet of some sort and when it's hungry or whatever, only the GB can interpret what the pet needs. Idiots.
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Governing Body's new neuroscience program better than Cambridge University
by Dogpatch ini don't know what to make of this.
i assume this is a real lecture given in cyprus, apparently recently (original jw email dated dec. 1st).
anyone know this guy?
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mcsemike
I sang KH songs for 20 years. I guess now I'm ready to conduct the NY Philharmonic and tour the world as a concert pianist.
I saved so much on the cost of music lessons.
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NY Times: "Bad times are good for churches." Why so little JW growth?
by Seeker4 inin today's ny times there is an article on this topic, and here are two quotes:.
"bad times are good for evangelical churches.
'its a wonderful time, a great evangelistic opportunity for us,' said the rev.
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mcsemike
To Seeker4: I liked the observation that during hard times, JW's or anyone else, don't go to the Hall for help, encouragement, genuine love, or even financial assistance. I thought the early Christians held all their money in common. But the WT tells people to seek food stamps, and to take advantage of social programs. I find this funny since the world is totally under Satan's control, yet the elders send poor, old, and sick people (some with 50 years or more of service) out in the world. They don't loan them money but they publish a whole page on different ways JW's can donate money. I don't think it's loving to approach a survivor at the funeral and ask if the old person left the WT any money or if they didn't, can they make a huge donation. Very sick.
I remember my father telling me that during the Great Depression, bars still did a good business. Even though alcohol was the last thing poor people should be buying, they still drank to ward off their problems.I don't drink but I'd rather get drunk than have any contact with the WTS. It's disgusting how they shamelessly beg for money in the ragazines.