Posts by ScenicViewer

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Feb 2012 public WT - they dare to comment on Harold Camping!!!

by Mickey mouse in

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ScenicViewer

@ LostGeneration. I liked your rebuttal too. I took the liberty of adding just a few more words to it.

Rebuttal:

Some believed Armageddon would come in 1914. It did not. Thus the prophecy of the WTBTS rang hollow.

Some believed Armageddon would come in 1925. It did not. Thus the prophecy of the WTBTS rang hollow.

Some believed Armageddon would come in 1975. It did not. Thus the prophecy of the WTBTS rang hollow.

Some believed Armageddon would come before the generation that saw 1914 passed away. It did not. Thus the prophecy of the WTBTS rang hollow.

Does anyone hear an echo in here?

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Apocalypse-porn now available at jw.org!

by serenitynow! in

oy.

the february 15, 2012 wt is out.

it has a huge mushroom cloud of fire on the cover.

ScenicViewer

...one dude has an arrow stuck in his back.

And another has a spear all the way through him. Such horrible scare tactics....what a wonderful, godly way to teach children.

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1984 WT Cover, one more arrow in our quiver

by FatFreek 2005 in

we certainly don't want to allow watchtower the luxury of forgetting.

for your private campaign, right click on the image and follow the menu item of your choice.

len miller.

ScenicViewer

@ Smiddy

Got it! Much easier to follow now. Thank you.

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1984 WT Cover, one more arrow in our quiver

by FatFreek 2005 in

we certainly don't want to allow watchtower the luxury of forgetting.

for your private campaign, right click on the image and follow the menu item of your choice.

len miller.

ScenicViewer

@ Smiddy

Could you explain the 48 year generation in a little more detail? I'm having trouble getting it.

Mt 1:14 says,

14 A′zor became father to Za′dok;
Za′dok became father to A′chim;
A′chim became father to E?li′ud;

I take it that each of these 3 groups represents 14 generations...?

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How did Jesus and his apostles make money?

by sabastious in

jesus and his apostles were once found eating other people's wheat yield.

however the law in question was reported to be the sabbath; so it must not have been considered stealing?.

regardless, how did they earn money?

ScenicViewer

"Take the first fish that comes up, and when you open its mouth, you will find a four drachma coin." Matthew 17:27

Not only that, but they could then either fry that fish or sell it at the market.

And not only that, but he could multiply that fish into as many as he needed.

“We have nothing here but five loaves and two fishes.” 18 He said: “BRING them here to me.” 19 Next he ... took the five loaves and two fishes, and ... he distributed them to the ... crowds. 20 So all ate and were satisfied ... 21 Yet those eating were about five thousand men, besides women and young children. (Mt 4:17-21)

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Religious People Live Longer

by mankkeli in

regular involvement in religious activities goes hand in hand with better physical health and a longer life, according to a statistical analysis of 42 independent studies published since 1977 that have addressed this issue, states science news.

religious involvement, especially the public type, showed a statistically significant relationship to higher survival rates, the scientists say.

several reasons have been proposed for the findingsthe shunning of risky behaviors, marital stability, less depression associated with matters beyond direct control, greater social contacts, and positive emotions and attitudes.

ScenicViewer

This may trigger a return to the KH. Just thinking.

That would be a negative step, going backward, for people that left the organization for good reasons, which is the majority.

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Religious People Live Longer

by mankkeli in

regular involvement in religious activities goes hand in hand with better physical health and a longer life, according to a statistical analysis of 42 independent studies published since 1977 that have addressed this issue, states science news.

religious involvement, especially the public type, showed a statistically significant relationship to higher survival rates, the scientists say.

several reasons have been proposed for the findingsthe shunning of risky behaviors, marital stability, less depression associated with matters beyond direct control, greater social contacts, and positive emotions and attitudes.

ScenicViewer

Several reasons have been proposed for the findings— ... less depression associated with matters beyond direct control, greater social contacts, and positive emotions and attitudes.

-- Maybe true of some religious groups, but not Jehovah's Witnesses. They suffer from more depression than the general population, and there are way too many suicides among active Witnesses to believe they are guided by Gods spirit, or have a 'spiritual paradise' that no one else has.

-- Witnesses also have fewer social contacts, since they view anyone not in their religion as 'worldly' and avoid associating with them.

-- The extreme negativity of JWs is one of the reasons that I left the organization. What a genuine relief to be free; it was a step that I can feel the positive effects of daily.

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Returning to God - For those with minds of Reason

by mankkeli in

this was taken from a watchtower study article and without doubt, i am definitely sure it will be beneficial for the majority here: now take your spoon and approach the table, the food is ready.. .

returning to god.

13 those who see themselves in the position of the prodigal son, however, need not remain in this wretched state.

ScenicViewer

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The "Generation." what is the latest New Light Regarding It? CO from Fresno Area Confused Me!

by AvocadoJake in

the co who is covering the central valley, mentioned how easy this concept is to understand.

in his talk, he said many of the friends had made a "big deal, over little.

he used the "titanic analogy, used the space shuttle analogy.

ScenicViewer

I am not familiar with the Titanic and Space Shuttle analogies. I would be interested in hearing more about them.

However there have been 6 understandings of what the 'Generation' is in Watchtower history.

1) From C.T. Russell's time.

A generation of contemporaries, "people living contemporaneously ... In other words the signs mentioned will occur within a generation - epoch in the close of an age" (Studies in the Scriptures, Vol 4, p. 602, 603)

2) From Judge Rutherford's time.

The anointed. "The irresistible conclusion therefore is that Jesus referred to the new creation [the anointed] when he said: "This generation will not pass away..." ...some members of the new creation will be on earth at the time of Armageddon" (W 2-15-1927, p. 62)

3) From the early 1950s.

The 1914 generation. Those born before (later changed to during) 1914. "Some persons living A.D. 1914 when the series of events began will also be living when the series ends with Armageddon. All the events will come within the span of a generation." (W 9-1-1952, p. 543)

This view was held the longest, for several decades from about the early 1950s until 1995.

4) From 1995.

The general population of earth's wicked people. "Therefore in the final fulfillment of Jesus' prophecy today, "this generation" apparently refers to the peoples of the earth who see the sign of Christ's presence but fail to mend their ways." (W 11-1-1995, p. 19)

This was the least comprehensible one to me. I never really saw how it made much sense. It seems to be similar to the first view, a general generation of people living contemporaneously when the end comes, but witht the emphasis on them being wicked.

5) From 2008.

The anointed. "As a class, these anointed ones make up the modern-day "generation" of contemporaries that will ot pass away "until all these things occur."" (W 2-15-08, p. 24)

This one seems to be another throw-back, to the second view, a re-adoption of previously abandoned 'old light'.

6) From 2010.

The overlapping generation theory. "He [Jesus] evidently meant that the lives of the anointed who were on hand when the sign began to become evident in 1914 would overlap the lives of other anointed ones who would see the start of the great tribulation." (W 4-15-2010)

I suppose with this view, the Watchtower could keep 'overlapping' the generations as far into the future as they needed to, and still call it 'the generation' that Jesus referred to.

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What was your most DISTURBING event as an elder ? (Per T.O.S. no full names please).

by Balaamsass in

i'll start the ball rolling.

dealing with kids in any type of judicial manner.

i would do everything i could to get parents to "deal with it-kindly" at home.

ScenicViewer

The elder told me the 3 verses he planned on using [on shepherding call]...

One of the sons said he...didnt feel it was the truth. The elder got really...annoyed...

Suffice to say he still carried on and used the very same 3 verses he planned to use, even though now they were meaningless.

This is proof the elder was not qualified to be an elder, nor a spiritual leader of any kind. Jehovah's Witnesses are full of elders like this. What a shame.