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  What race or ethnicity would you think this old guy is?

  by SweetBabyCheezits in

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  i mean, to be so well-muscled at a wrinkly old age.... look at them gunz.. .

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  This is very odd. I see hair on the shoulder and a beard.

  It looks half human and half ape to me.

  So we get to see the whole picture later?
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  The Jehovah's Witness Dog Whistle Doctrine

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the dog whistle is a device only heard by dogs.

  ordinary humans cannot hear it.. .

  the watcthower dog whistle doctrine is only "heard" by anointed governing body members.

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  Terry,

  Very nice presentation! It had not occurred to me that the Society got the "6,000 years of human existence" wrong, TWICE! At first it ended in 1873, then in 1975, and neither time did the expected final events happen.

  I have known the significance of 1873 for a while now, but it just never sunk in that the "Slave" got the 6,000 years wrong two times.

  Thanks for that information. Sometimes there is a thread that moves me to keep notes from it, and this is one of them.
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  Anthony Morris III shares his thoughts on eternity...

  by cedars in

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bf0gnpcjps.

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  @ Cedars,

  ScenicViewer - the "collector's edition" Stephen Lett talk has been lovingly donated to me by Baltar447, so I will try to launch a similar video in a "best of" format to show his colourful range of facial expressions!

  Glad you were able to get a copy of the video. I'm looking forward to your "best of" video presentation. It's bound to be good!

  @ 00DAD,

  That was outstanding! I wish I could remember the experience of the personal misery of sitting through an assembly in such vivid detail. Reading your 'illustration,' it all came back.

  An eternity of such uncomfortableness? I don't think so.
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  Anthony Morris III shares his thoughts on eternity...

  by cedars in

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  2. beliefs

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bf0gnpcjps.

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  I'm after the "collector's edition" talk (removed from YouTube) that featured a plagiarised illustration!!

  The video is gone, but for those wondering, the plagiarized illustration had a parakeet carrying a grain of sand to a distant location until an impossibly huge task was completed.

  Lett's version :

  The parakeet traveled from a Florida beach with one grain of sand and dropped it in the Grand Canyon every 10,000 years until the GC was full, and that's the beginning of eternity.

  “Have you ever really wondered how long forever is? Let me just give you a little illustration to help us appreciate how long forever is, which is the prize for those that do jehovah's will. Now you've got to have a lot of imagination for this. I want you to imagine the Grand Canyon. Huge, vast. You walk to the edge, it makes you dizzy. You look down, the Colorado River looks like a little trickle going through there, but really it's a big, rushing, rolling river. You're so far away that it looks small in the distance. Now imagine that a little tiny parakeet goes to a beach in Florida and gets one tiny individual grain of sand in its beak. He flies back over the middle of the Grand Canyon and drops it in the Grand Canyon. Now another parakeet does this, ten thousand years later... takes a piece of sand and drops it in the Grand Canyon. This process is repeated over and over again... one grain of sand every ten thousand years. Now you can imagine how long it would take to fill up a teaspoon. But when that process is repeated over and over again, until the Grand Canyon is totally filled... in fact, it's not only filled... there are huge mountains where the Grand Canyon used to be. There's snow in the top of these mountains. People are skiing out of the top of these mountains. (Audience laughs.) When that happens... forever has just barely begun. (Laughter.) Now I probably gave you a headache. (More laughter.) But don't miss that prize of everlasting life.”

  John Ankerberg's version (TV evangelist):

  A parakeet repeatedly traveled to the moon, a trip requiring 1 million years in each direction, to deposit one grain of sand until all the beaches and deserts of the earth were devoid of sand, and that's the beginning of eternity.

  "John Ankerberg illustrates eternity by comparing it to the efforts of a parakeet to move sand!. Let's say you commanded a parakeet to pick up a single grain of sand in its beak, fly to the moon, and drop it off. Let's say it takes one million years for the parakeet to get to the moon. He puts the grain of sand down and flies back to earth. It takes a million years for him to get back. Let's say that the little bird systematically transferred one grain at a time all the sand from the beaches and deserts of all the earth until there was not even one grain of sand left on the earth. If you could add up all of the millions of years it had taken to remove all of the sand from all of those places, eternity would just be beginning.'"

  For anyone wanting to read more, the JWN thread, from which the above quotes are taken, is here,

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/225010/1/Bro-Lett-Governing-Body-borrowed-illustration-from-an-outspoken-WT-critic

  The Lett/Ankerberg parakeet analogy along with Anthony Morris' fly illustration shows the GB has a fascination with tiny creatures doing impossible tasks. Their approach seems to suggest that eternity itself is impossible. Otherwise why use such silly illustrations?
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  Watchtower Library NOT identical to printed publications

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i realise the title of this thread will come as no surprise to many of you.

  i've certainly heard before of subtle variations between extracts from the watchtower library and the actual printed literature.. what i didn't expect was to find this openly admitted to in the license agreement for the watchtower library, where it says in article 4:.

  4. limited warranty.

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  In all fairness have we ever even found another single change of anything from WT to Bound Volumn?

  One other example is from the 1957 Bound Volume, page 288. The original encouraged using the Theocratic War Strategy in field service, but in the reprinted Bound Volume the information was deleted.

  This difference shown here is from the original Bound Volume to the reprinted Bound Volume. I have not seen the original issue but I feel it likely would be the same as the original BV.

  Perhaps the Society has become a little embarrassed about the TWS, especially advocating it's use in the public door-to-door ministry.

  

  
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  The Good Food Thread

  by MrsCedars in

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  2. friends

  my inspiration comes from the ingredients i have at hand, very often leftovers, and also home grown produce, herbs and spices.

  i still have a lot to learn, but i have come a long way since i first started cooking for mr cedars.. i think the first recipe on this thread should by the one that oodad has posted on other thread.... .

  shrimp scampi.

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  ScenicViewer

  There are boards dedicated to cooking of course, but I love how broad this forum is. It includes a Social section with various categories that include,

  - Jokes and Humor

  - Entertainment

  - News and World Events

  - Physical Activities

  - Family and Parenting

  - Dating and Relationships

  Entertainment includes such things as

  - TV

  - Movies

  - Art

  - Literature and Music

  A cooking thread fits nicely into Entertainment if you view cooking as an art, which I think it is. It would also work under the Family heading, and could even be included in the Dating and Relationships area....'The way to a man's heart is through his stomach' and all that.

  I see that MrsCedars has chosen to post in the the Friends section under the heading of Jehovah'sWitnesses, which is stated as a place to "...meet new friends." Recipies and cooking are a pretty good way to do that.

  Thanks for the thread MrsCedars, and once again Welcome to the forum!
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  Introducing Mrs Cedars...

  by cedars in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i just thought you should know that mrs cedars has finally taken the plunge and joined the forum.

  she was able to log on for the first time yesterday.. though we both "awakened" at different stages, mrs cedars was very supportive and non-judgmental when i first began exploring my beliefs from a critical standpoint.

  she is currently in the process of reading crisis of conscience and aquainting herself with some of the facts of witness history that were hitherto unknown.

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  Welcome to the forum MrsCedars, and I am delighted to hear of your awakening.

  All the best to you, and I am looking forward to your posts!
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  "we need to help that brother"

  by TimeBandit in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  at the last district convention i went to (2010) i was sitting in my seat during the lunch break.

  i was listening to two brothers sitting together chatting in the row in front of me.

  they were talking about brother 'so and so'.

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  "[Two brothers] discussed how they might encourage him and personally help him out spiritually. One said to the other "We need to help that brother".

  A nice conversation alright, but did they atually follow through and help the brother? Remember where this conversation happened - at a District Convention - a place where doing good works toward others was likely on their minds, but what happened after the DC?

  I fully agree with posters above who mentioned there are many good, sincere JWs, I would even say the majority are, but even among the good ones what they say and what they do are often two different things. The brother may, in reality, have gotten no more help than you.

  In the town where I live shepherding calls were always very rare, and usually happened just before the CO's visit.

  I'm glad to hear that your exit has been successful.
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  Elders letter to "KEEP MOUTH SHUT" after Candace Conti verdict?

  by hamsterbait in

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  2. scandals

  just noticed on another thread that a letter was sent out telling elders to keep their mouths shut after the wt lost the case?.

  anybody got this???.

  hb.

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  @ Elderlite,

  Have the elders recieved any communication from the Society, COs, or DOs regarding the Conti case?
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  I've been enlightened.

  by Emery in

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  2. friends

  ive been lurking for quite sometime and now feel the need to come and noob it up.

  it's taken a lot to bring me to read anything critical of the wts.

  i used to glance at these apostate sites and shutter in fear because of the obvious demonic venom that can be found :) i am still an active witness and have been in this struggle to stay both in and be removed mentally from this organization.

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  Hello Emery,

  It's always nice to listen to the words of a Witness that has concluded on his own that Watchtower can't have the truth. Your post was very well written and an enjoyable read.

  The thing that finally becomes the deal breaker varies from person to person, but the FDS is certainly a big issue for anyone that bothers to think about it, and it serves as a tipping point for many Witnesses. The other things -- false dates (1914, etc), the United Nations affair, pedofile problems, and various silly doctrinal beliefs -- add support.

  Welcome to the board, and I hope you are able to learn a lot and get plenty of encouragement from other posters. I certainly have.