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  A handy CHRONOLOGY of the life and times of Charles and Maria Russell

  by Terry in

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  2. beliefs

  1852 charles taze russell was born in(february 16) in pittsburgh, pennsylvania.

  he was raised in a strict presbyterian home.. 1868 (age 16) in an encounter with a non-believer he became disillusioned over the subject of whether god as a heavenly father would burn his children in hell.

  side note: 1869 (joseph franklin rutherford was born and raised a baptist).

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  ScenicViewer

  Can't find your qoute in the 51 awake. Not sure why

  I just now checked and fouind it on page 26, par 3 of the issue Terry cited.
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  "Millions Now Living Will Never Die," Predicted the Watctower before 1914.

  by Scott77 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  predicted the watctower falsely predicted before 1914 that,"millions now living will never die" before 1914. its now a year before we hit 100 years mark.

  was god's or god's holy spirit guiding them when they falsely predicted that prophesy?

  what is your reaction or perspective on this big lie?.

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  Millions Now Living Will Never Die

  ftp://bible.cfmin.com/1920_Millions_Now_Living_Will_Never_Die-Small.pdf

  The one below will be a slower download, but probably better quality.

  ftp://bible.cfmin.com/1920_Millions_Now_Living_Will_Never_Die.pdf

  News advertisements for the 'Millions' campaign

  http://www.watchtowerdocuments.com/documents/1919-1925_News_Clippings_Millions_Campaign.pdf

  The above links are taken from this page; many older publications listed in date order,

  ftp://u44653395-downloads:[email protected]/

  Edit: After testing the first two links above there seems to be a problem. You may get a sign-in box with password required.

  For a work-around click on the last link; you will see a long list of literature. Scroll down to 1920 and look for "Millions Now Living Will Never Die."

  By clicking through from there the sign-in box is avoided.
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  Is this true? Do the elders really do it like this?

  by Julia Orwell in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i put this week's wt paragraph about disfellowshipping on my fb page and said how poor robert's family didn't even check to see whether he was dead or alive in 16 years and a friend of mine of the 'conscious class' commented about how unchristian she felt disfellowshipping to this degree is, and i agreed.. another friend, and uber-jw who has a host of illnesses and yet pioneers, who everytime she and her husband go to another congregation, if he's not appointed within three years they move to another and try for an appointment there - he used to be an elder and no one is willing to promote him again- replied to my thread.

  now keep in mind she has a dfd son and she doesn't even know whether he is dead or alive, because she follows the wt to the tee.

  she replied, among other things,with this:.

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  Punkofnice, I like the way you broke down Uber Sister's remarks. Very good.

  Besty, thanks for the Watchtower reference to the public trials. I've been looking for something like that!
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  Is this true? Do the elders really do it like this?

  by Julia Orwell in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i put this week's wt paragraph about disfellowshipping on my fb page and said how poor robert's family didn't even check to see whether he was dead or alive in 16 years and a friend of mine of the 'conscious class' commented about how unchristian she felt disfellowshipping to this degree is, and i agreed.. another friend, and uber-jw who has a host of illnesses and yet pioneers, who everytime she and her husband go to another congregation, if he's not appointed within three years they move to another and try for an appointment there - he used to be an elder and no one is willing to promote him again- replied to my thread.

  now keep in mind she has a dfd son and she doesn't even know whether he is dead or alive, because she follows the wt to the tee.

  she replied, among other things,with this:.

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  The uber-JW said,

  The elders explain repeatedly what the co nsequences are. It is not a "one error, you're out" situation.

  I would ask her how she knows this. Has she been in a judical situation herself? If not, was she granted permission to sit in on a JC? That would not be permitted. More than likely she is saying what she thinks, which is not always the reality. Congregation members are never allowed to know the details of any judicial matter, so how could anyone know if any case was handled justly?

  I remember a Convention part in the early 1970s, Dodger Stadium, which revealed that three elders had conspired to get someone they didn't like DF'd, another elder if I remember correctly. Naturally the focus of the part was aimed at waiting on Jehovah to set things straight, and the man was reportedly allowed back in after the conspiracy was revealed, but that DF'ing was completely unjust, and I remember being surprised to learn that such things could happen in Jehovah's Organization. What about the unjust DF'ings that don't get set straight? What about the DF'ings that happen to good people because they can't agree with the teaching that allows a child to die for lack of blood, or some other Watchtower teaching that is clearly bad?

  Your poster is reacting to how she percieves the Organization, which is wrong a perception.

  If only Watchtower was what it pretended to be.
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  POLL: How long did you remain a JW from point of baptism to leaving the KH

  by Terry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was baptised --1963. left in 1978. fifteen years.

  pre-baptism, another 5 years.

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  ScenicViewer

  From baptism to last meeting attended: 33 yrs

  Pre-baptism meeting attendance: approx 3 yrs

  Total.........................................almost 36 yrs
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  Resigned being an elder

  by subytrek in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am new here and this is my first post although i have lurked here for a couple years.

  i started having doubts about the org back then and my curiosity overcame my fear of so-called apostate websites so here i am.

  i just resigned being an elder 2 weeks ago.

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  Congratulations Subytrek, and welcome to the board.

  I admire men in positions of responsibility who, based on a good conscience, decide they can no longer serve in that capacity. It's easy to stay put and go with the flow!

  Your wife's openness to examining 'the truth about the truth' along with you is a remarkable thing.

  All the best to both of you.
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  JWgift.org - the UK's Watchtower-sponsored website that "should not be seen as the soliciting of funds in any way"...

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ...even though it has a massive button on the home page saying "make a donation.".

  https://www.jwgift.org/welcome.aspx.

  cedars.

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  ScenicViewer

  Watchtower says,

  "This facility has been provided solely for the convenience of those who asked for this service and desire to support our work by these means."

  Yes, I'm sure that Jehovan's Witnesses were lined up, asking for a convenient way to give their money to the WTS.

  Oops! Wannabefree you beat me to that remark!
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  Interesting Read About a JW Missionary in China

  by Wolfy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.believermag.com/issues/201302/?read=article_scorah.

  i found it a very interesting read.

  the article was linked on one of my fav websites digg.

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  That was a very good telling of this missionary's awakening.

  I felt this remark spoke volumes about the very restrictive and closed nature of Watchtower.

  In one of the most restrictive, totalitarian countries in the world, for the first time in my life, I had the freedom to think.

  It's a shame that "freedom to think" doesn't exist in the Organization.
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  Have you ever shunned someone and then later regretted it?

  by 00DAD in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  lately, i've been reading a number of thread lately that deal with this topic.

  one particularly poignant experience came from simon.

  in simon's story he shares: .

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  ScenicViewer

  I would normally talk to a DF'd person, but I remember shunning 1. It was an in-law that I didn't know very well, but that shouldn't have made a difference.

  I regret it to this day.
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  verybelated intro: Tylin

  by Tylinbrando in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i have been a lurker on this forum since its inception.

  i registered over a year ago.

  i jumped in several months back with a highly controversial subject of my daughter being sexually abused by an elder and the efforts we were taking to bring him to justice.

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  ScenicViewer

  That was an outstnding introduction, a pleasure to read.

  Congratulations on your successful efforts at getting Michael Norris arrested.