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  Who owns the really nice house and property on Watchtower Farms?

  by bottleofwater in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i remember years ago how back when i was in the religion, one of the brothers that i knew showed me a picture of a really, really nice looking house at watchtower farms and said that one of the governing body owns it.

  there were pictures of a really big backyard, almost like a park in size.

  i remember thinking to myself (even back then), that "wow this guy's already got his paradise".. does anyone know anything about this house?

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  Was it a big, older house, like this?

  
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  What do JWs REALLY worship?

  by 00DAD in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it sure isn't the truth!

  no, it's all about loyalty to the organization.

  it doesn't matter that their teachings are an incoherent, incomprehensible, contradictory pile of crap.

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  Good point N.Drew. I was always amazed at how JWs could believe that 'the article came along just when we needed it.' That was such a myth. And I could see that long before I saw things that really mattered.
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  What do JWs REALLY worship?

  by 00DAD in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it sure isn't the truth!

  no, it's all about loyalty to the organization.

  it doesn't matter that their teachings are an incoherent, incomprehensible, contradictory pile of crap.

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  To JWs the 'Truth' is no longer derived from God's Word the Bible, if it ever was.

  The Organization/Governing Body is the object of their worship.
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  1st Century Dude with a Bible in Yesterdays WT?

  by LostGeneration in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  saw this pic and kind of made me laugh, wondering if any who still attend heard anyone comment that the guy had his "bible" with him?.

  http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/715/bibleimage.jpg/.

  sorry can't seem to get it to appear, follow the link to see....

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  Someone please photoshop the shepherd/sheep photo from the WT 4/15/12 onto the "entertainment poster"

  Okie Dokie.

  Sheep Show Peep

  

  "Move long son, that's not the kind of sheep we're looking for."
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  1st Century Dude with a Bible in Yesterdays WT?

  by LostGeneration in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  saw this pic and kind of made me laugh, wondering if any who still attend heard anyone comment that the guy had his "bible" with him?.

  http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/715/bibleimage.jpg/.

  sorry can't seem to get it to appear, follow the link to see....

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  The "144,000 barrier" is anothr consideration. Apostasy or no apostasy, JW's cannot afford to allow the existence of "true Christians" as an organized body much beyond the first century.

  That is a good point TD. As I was typing the response the 144,000 issue flashed through my mind. It's probably one of the main reasons that Watchtower insists apostasy took over Christianity immediately after the 1st Century. Can't have too many years go by, or it won't add up to a total of 144,000 being reached in the 20th Century; it would have been reached much sooner. Actually, the math on the 144,000 is a big problem anyway.
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  1st Century Dude with a Bible in Yesterdays WT?

  by LostGeneration in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  saw this pic and kind of made me laugh, wondering if any who still attend heard anyone comment that the guy had his "bible" with him?.

  http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/715/bibleimage.jpg/.

  sorry can't seem to get it to appear, follow the link to see....

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  Based on the information so far (nod to Blondie) it seems borderline whether codexs existed in the 1st Century or only scrolls.

  The Century is in question, but as BluesBrother pointed out apostasy exploded at the beginning of the 2nd Century after the death of the Apostles, so it's likely a 1st Century depiction.

  At any rate, copies of Scripture were very rare at the time. Isn't it true that a person needed to be wealthy to own one? An ordinary Christian family man would not have been able to have the Scriptures, scroll or codex. And if he did have one, it seems unlikely he would have carryied it around in public.

  As Phizzy says, they are making early Christians look just like modern JWs.
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  1st Century Dude with a Bible in Yesterdays WT?

  by LostGeneration in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  saw this pic and kind of made me laugh, wondering if any who still attend heard anyone comment that the guy had his "bible" with him?.

  http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/715/bibleimage.jpg/.

  sorry can't seem to get it to appear, follow the link to see....

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  If it really is from the 1st Century, wouldn't any copies of Scriptue have been in scroll form?

  Not quite sure myself.

  Edit: Whoops! Blondie's post got there before mine.
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  Menlo Park KH Lawsuit Dismissed

  by Gayle in

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  An excerpt,

  A federal judge dismissed the Menlo Park Kingdom Hall lawsuit last week due to filing and jurisdictional issues.

  The judge’s decision to dismiss was not related to the issues in dispute or any of the civil or criminal acts alleged in the case. She dismissed the lawsuit due to the lack of federal jurisdiction over the issues involved. In her written opinion, she pointed out that her court did not have the authority to rule on most of the charges outlined in the plaintiffs lawsuit.
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  The music that moves you....

  by FlyingHighNow in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  once when i was profoundly sad for too many days, my brother in law sent us a mix tape.

  he named each song after a person in our family.

  this is the one he named heather.

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  Jolene...I even like the singer better.

  That was good. It's no wonder. The singer turns out to be Norah Jones!
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  Whistleblower — Watchtower’s Dump

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  whistleblower watchtowers dump.

  today i added a new article to my blog sharing the whistleblowers letter to new yorks department of environmental conservation (dec) disclosing watchtowers pollution sites and incidents related to it.

  my article is titled whistleblower watchtowers dump and is available at: http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2011/12/whistleblower-watchtowers-dump.html.

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  I am certainly not in the know about such things, but the receipt gives some information that doesn not seem to suggest a normal tax that is routinely paid.

  It says,

  For: Case #3-19990826-43 WTF Shale Mine

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  Division: Legal Affairs

  Are taxes usually paid by Case Number to the Legal Affairs division? Or does this suggest a legal violation?

  Acronymfinder.com gives one meaning of WTF as "Wastewater Treatment Facility." Atlantis notes (on page 2 of this thread) that the fine was for "polluting a pond." These two pieces of information would seem to suggest that wastewater was mismanaged by Watchtower, resulting in pollution.

  If someone is familiar with the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation, perhaps they could look into Case #3-19990826-43 for more meaningful information.

  (In case anyone is wondering what Watchtower is doing with a Shale Mine, when I toured Watchtower Farms more than 30 years ago I remember seeing the open pit shale mine. As I recall, the shale was crushed and spread over dirt roads to pave them.)