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did you or anyone you know needed to be dunked more than once because their body wasn't fully imersed.. my cousin needed to be dunked 4 times unitl he was finally fully immersed on the 5th try.. he was humilated and left the dubs about 6 months later.. everyone gossiped it was because he hadn't fully dedicated himself to jehovah on his baptism day.. the truth was, he is very tall and the pool was extremely shallow.
Greetings!
I've heard brothers who do the dunking mention that they have to dunk again if the person isn't completely submerged.
I don't see how your bro was humiliated. It seems like he would find the situation rather funny. I doubt this was the reason he is no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses.
Sounds like you also had some silly folks around talking like that.
-Eduardo
i am primarily posting this to barbara anderson, but obviously everyone is welcome to correct or comment on my remarks as they see fit.
mrs. anderson, i realize that trying to cover all bases in your pending russell bio would be impossible, but i do hope that you will be able to include a section on the first president of the watch tower society, william h. conley.
i hope that you have had a chance to research conley with some degree of thoroughness, so as to dispel some of the half-truths that some bible students and jws try to promote (such as that conley's age and health caused his inactivity with russell after 1881).
Greetings!
I don' t think that the fact that W.H. Conley was the first president of the ZWTS (association) was a state secret or anything that the Society has ever tried to ignore or hide. It simply isn't particularly important, although it is somewhat interesting.
By the way, I believe this fact was (to some extent) known long before Ms. Anderson claims to have "discovered" it but that point is rather trivial.
Anyway, I see no contradiction in the Society referring to CTR being the First President of the Watchtower since in all cases they are referring to the Society post-incorporation and secondly CTR certainly organized the pre-incorporated association and is thus seen as the founder.
Incidently, Conley is mentioned at least 3 times in the early ZWTs, the first as of the Allegheny Bible Class, and the later mentions show that up until at least 1882 it was the habit of CTR and the early Bible Students to gather at the Conley's home in Pittsburgh to celebrate the Memorial and that they had been doing that for some years.
-Eduardo Leaton Jr., Esq.
hi guys.
how does wts feel about working for any federal, state or local government?
i would imagine that would be frowned on, even if it is "non-violent".
Greetings,
The Society and JWs have no problems with persons holding non-law enforcement or political civil service positions whether at the local, state or federal level. Several Bible examples of persons favourably recorded in the scriptures also served "civil service" roles under their respective (foreign) Kings or rulerships including Joseph, Daniel, Nehemiah, etc.
Jobs that involve violations of Christian Neutrality are still verboten and most law-enforcement positions are considered questionable. Depending on the specifics of the situation, a Christian who seeks a job that requires the carrying of a firearm and which may possibly result in having to use such to take a human life would be considered unfit for leadership or example positions. In some extreme cases the brothers may decide that such a person has voluntarilly disassociated himself or herself. JWs are not absolutely against justifiable self-defense however so that is why a stronger stance against such jobs has not been taken.
-Eduardo Leaton Jr., Esq.
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name responsibilities that sisters could have had at the hall, that doesn't go against bible principles?.
why couldn't they have passed the microphone?
Until 1937 women could be "deaconesses" (modernly MSs) in the congregations and also had an equal vote in electing the elders of the congregation.
In fact there is no Scriptural reason why Women could not serve in either non-teaching Ministerial Servant roles and Administrative roles througout the JW hierarchy, in addition to of course being more than cable to handle such minor "privileges" as operating the sound, distributing and adjusting microphones, and working the literature counter.
I believe that women will hold these roles in the Organization in the future.
-Eduardo Leaton Jr., Esq.
has this 2005 federal court decision been previously posted?
jehovah's witnesses lose facial challenge to puerto rico controlled access law .
in an opinion that has recently become available, the federal district court in puerto rico last month rejected a facial constitutional attack by jehovah's witnesses to the commonwealth's controlled access law.
Greetings!
Not sure from this thread whether this was en banc or a full court decision. If the U.S. Supreme Court hears an appeal though it will be another win for Jehovah's Witnesses.
The law violates many free speech activities including polling, political campaigning, petition drives, charitable solicitation, etc.
-Eduardo Leaton Jr., Esq.
did any of you stuggle for have good conversations with the friends, before and after meetings?
i know i did.. by meaningful conversations, i mean in-depth discussions about events, news, beliefs.
it seems that jw's .
Greetings!
This thread has a lot of nonsense and most of the so-called reasons given to explain the "short conversations" are garbage.
The reason doesn't have anything to do with JW mentality or short-attention spans or the theology of the religion or anything like that. It is just a function of time and location. The very same people who can't seem to speak more than a few sentences at the KH will talk endlessly for hours at congregational picnics, at the lunch-hour at the Assembly, at home, or even walking in the ministry.
The fact is that most people arrive about 20 minutes or less before the start of the meeting, with most coming in maybe 10 minutes or so before the start. And afterwards, most have other things to do after giving up 2 hours of their day and leave fairly quickly. There simply isn't time to spend in any lengthy conversations. This factor alone makes any such deep or personal topics or discussion which require explanation and background virtually impossible.
Add to this the fact that Jehovah's Witnesses respect the place of their worship, consider it God's House, and thus many topics like the latest episode of Desperate Housewives or problems at work or home, etc. are not considered proper by most. Also there is specific direction from the Society not to do any business dealings at the Kingdom Hall, which in the normal world makes up a large part of one's normal conversations with others.
Finally, a lot of this observation depends upon the particulars of the congregation and the larger cultures involved. I have been in predominantly white, black and hispanic congregations and in the latter two these definitely tended to be longer and more in depth conversationalists than in the mostly white congregations. But again, even in these "warmer" congregations the same above factors were present which result in typically abbreviated dialogues and rather superficial chit-chat.
Common Sense,
Eduardo Leaton Jr., Esq.
interesting new study, read with a critical eye and consider the source (a secularist):.
http://moses.creighton.edu/jrs/2005/2005-11.html.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1798944,00.html.
Greetings!
Interesting new study, read with a critical eye and consider the source (a secularist):
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1798944,00.html
-Eduardo Leaton Jr., Esq.
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did those pictures of people jumping outta' thier graves not scare the $#!+ outta' you?
Greetings:
Glad to see those scans finally got posted. If you want to see more illustrations from this publication you can go here:
http://www.jehovahs-witnesses.net/wtart.html
-Eduardo Leaton Jr., Esq.
it says in john 1:1, that the word was divine, instead of saying "god.
" but can anyone tell me how it translates isaiah 9:6?
does it say mighty god or divine being?
Hello RevFrank, I noticed you ended your quote of Rev a bit too soon..
It's "a revelation by Jesus Christ WHICH GOD GAVE TO HIM,..." that's pretty good proof that Jesus is not the omniscient one and that his Father is and that the two are separate beings...that is if one gives scriptures any weight in the first place.
-Eduardo Leaton Jr., Esq.
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did those pictures of people jumping outta' thier graves not scare the $#!+ outta' you?
Nicolaou, yeah I will try and scan them and post them tonight if I get the chance. But you know I looked at that page and that paragraph and it doesn't seem like it is anything special and there are no illustrations on that page. Any reason why you need that page in particular?
-Eduardo
