Posts by Acluetofindtheuser

20

We Don’t Give Christmas Presents; We Give Presents To Each Other All Year Long!

by Sea Breeze in

jw
friends

how many of you dutifully told this lie to your friends as a kid?.

Acluetofindtheuser

This is so true. In my childhood I heard of potential present days for some JW kids. I think they never happened because they feared their kids would brag to the other kids and demand it too from their parents.

An elder and I talked about this along time ago out in service. He said he knew the friends were saying they would give other times of the year to each other but in reality they never do, He said that was a sad fact.

The witness way is just an excuse not to part with money you don't have give up. This is one of the many reasons why no one wants to join this religion. It's no fun.

24

The Creation Story of Genesis 1 in its literary context

by Leolaia in

genesis 1 , the priestly (p) account of creation, has often been compared with the enuma elish, the akkadian creation myth.

some have claimed that p is dependent on the latter, but this is highly improbable.

in terms of similarities, most note the parallel of marduk splitting the body of the sea-monster tiamat and creating the heavens and earth from it, and elohim's division of the thwm "watery deep" (hebrew cognate of akkadian tiamat) into the heavens, earth, and seas.

Acluetofindtheuser

Moses wasn't the sole author of Genesis. He didn't get an inspired download of Genesis when he became an anointed one of God. There were preserved ancient documents that were given to Moses at the proper time. Noah's log was one of those documents along with the story of Job.

A May 15, 2003 Watchtower revealed there may have been a log of Noah that was passed down through many generations. There are ancient records that say Seth, the third son of Adam and Eve, was the inventor of written language. He possibly was the first one to get the accounts of Genesis started. The early inspired records would have been passed on from Seth to Enoch and then from Enoch to Noah and then to Shem.

24

The Creation Story of Genesis 1 in its literary context

by Leolaia in

genesis 1 , the priestly (p) account of creation, has often been compared with the enuma elish, the akkadian creation myth.

some have claimed that p is dependent on the latter, but this is highly improbable.

in terms of similarities, most note the parallel of marduk splitting the body of the sea-monster tiamat and creating the heavens and earth from it, and elohim's division of the thwm "watery deep" (hebrew cognate of akkadian tiamat) into the heavens, earth, and seas.

Acluetofindtheuser

I enjoyed this remarkable thread by Leolaia. She is truly a biblical scholar. We need to revive more of her old threads. Thanks for bumping it.

27

BEROEAN PICKETS:- VIcky And Mike's Story. "Judged To Be Like The Antichrist "

by buzkid in

vicky and mike hobbs are ex jehovah’s witnesses and ex beroean pickets members their personal statements and experiences within the beroean pickets bible study groups wasn't pleasant.

and vicky was likened to the antichrist because of her differing views.

spiritual abuse is becoming more widespread and the purpose of this interview is to raise awareness, provide education around spiritual and religious abuse, and to keep the public safe.

Acluetofindtheuser

I had a few religious discussions with Eric over e-mail a few years back. He tolerates no belief outside his own. I tried to reason with him but he would not listen. At that point I realized he was still an elder of the Witnesses but with a dogma of his own. He's right back to doing judicial committee meetings. What, does he not remember the account of his own judicial meeting? He should re-watch it on his Youtube channel. He needs to be humbled. The guy's a hypocrite.

5

JW's Family Worship Evening - Mormons got ripped off!

by BoogerMan in

mind you, it took the org over 30 years to think it was an idea worth copying.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/family_home_evening.

imitation is the sincerest form of flattery!

😁.

Acluetofindtheuser

Deceased GB member Guy Pierce was a former Mormon. When he was alive he introduced the family worship evening to his fellow GB buddies and they picked it up.

15

"abstain and die!"- WTBTS

by hamsterbait in

i find it amazing that the wtbts says that you should refuse blood, even if it could save your life.. look at the apostle paul.

he knew the injunctions of acts 15 - yet by his own admission in his letters to the corinthians admitted that he bought meat sacrificed to idols and ate it.

so would he have refused this meat if he were about to die of hunger?.

Acluetofindtheuser

If the Jews and Muslims accept blood transfusions then it's ok. You can't break the Mosaic law if it saves a life. David and his men eating the showbread proved that. You can break the sabbath to save an animal too. There is no law against love.

41

Is Watchtower totally off base on Armageddon?

by Vanderhoven7 in

to me it is quite evident that the gt spoken about in matthew 24, mark 13 and luke 21 is a one time, non-repeatable localized event resulting in the destruction of jerusalem and the temple followed by the dispersion of surviving jews throughout the nations.. however, what is not so clear to most is that the gt of revelation deals with the same event.

my understanding is that the gb of jehovah witnesses has no clue as to how to interpret the apocalyptic messages found both in the synoptics and revelation.

but steve greg has armageddon down pat.

Acluetofindtheuser

I can see Matthew 24:14 being localized to the known inhabited world and the tribulation meant for only fleeing Christians. The problem arises at Matthew 24:29-35 when the tribulation comes to an end for the Christians. It says they see something in orbit that blocks the sun and moon along with a figure of Jesus up there too. You would think other civilizations would report that spectacular event in their writings as well. It says all the tribes of the earth will be in fear of this event.

41

Is Watchtower totally off base on Armageddon?

by Vanderhoven7 in

to me it is quite evident that the gt spoken about in matthew 24, mark 13 and luke 21 is a one time, non-repeatable localized event resulting in the destruction of jerusalem and the temple followed by the dispersion of surviving jews throughout the nations.. however, what is not so clear to most is that the gt of revelation deals with the same event.

my understanding is that the gb of jehovah witnesses has no clue as to how to interpret the apocalyptic messages found both in the synoptics and revelation.

but steve greg has armageddon down pat.

Acluetofindtheuser

It's because of the new heavens and new earth prophecy. If all good people go to the new heavens after death then what's with the new earth that's repeated in the old and new testament?

16

Thanking Jehovah God for Sports

by Sea Breeze in

serena william's thanks jehovah god for allowing her to participate in sports.

how nice.

my jw parents followed the rules and thought they were doing jehovahs will by denying me participation in sports.

Acluetofindtheuser

She should be thanking her west African genes for her win due to fast twitch muscle fibers, something that east Africans are lacking. I wonder why west Africans move faster than east Africans. Are there more predatory cats in the west than the east?

171

Alteration of Revelation 3:14 in the 4th century to support the emerging Trinity doctrine

by slimboyfat in

in an earlier thread another poster asserted that there is no evidence that revelation 3:14 played a part in the 4th controversy that led to the trinity doctrine.

this was claimed as evidence that the description of jesus as “the beginning of the creation of god” in the verse was not understood to mean that jesus was god’s first creation.

the scholarly greek–english lexicon of the new testament & other early christian literature 3e (2001) by bauer, arndt, gingrich, and danker, in its latest edition states that “first creation” is indeed the probable meaning of the greek phrase.

Acluetofindtheuser

Mathew 28 19. There is your three in a single verse and a pretty important one as well.

He said it this way because of the three items that were placed in the ark of the covenant.

1. The staff of Aaron, 2. The Ten Commandments, 3. The jar of manna.

1. The way. 2. The truth 3.The Life.

The curtain between the holy and the most holy was ripped in two at Jesus' death.

No one comes to the father except through Jesus.