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  Any one read David Rohl's books?

  by sleepy in

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  these are two fascinating books on the historisy of the ealier bible accounts.. .

  if you doubt that the books of "moses" were based on real history these books are worth a read.. anyone else read them and what did you think?.

  i what to do more research on ancient bible history and how these stories relate to real history.. i find it amazing how many ancient accounts of early humans mentions gods coming to the earth and breeding with humans.. they usually contain a flood account too.. these stories come from all over the earth from south america , eygpt and asia as well as the middle east.. is there any truth in these stories .. any books you could recomend.

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  no, i havent read these books. you'll see my comments were regarding his theories about the amarna tablets and what i think hes calling his 'revised egyptian chronology' which i had recently come across. likely a lot of his theories in these books are related to this revised chronology that pushes conventional dates forward by 3 centuries. i found these suspect and so anything else of his, i would automatically be a bit suspicious of. i am familiar with the shishak-ramses theory too. ive read the other book mentioned above, Bible Unearthed and i certainly would read some of rohl if i got my hands on it.

  i do not know enough about all this to say authoritatively what parts of the theories are wrong. i think like most here, i rely on professional opinion a lot. there are so many conflicting theories on ancient archeology, you can find 'experts' to support almost any view you want. so i try my best to determine what i think is most accurate based on how compelling the evidence is and also on how well accepted the ideas are in the professional community.

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  Evolution vs Creation and spontaneous generation

  by MrMoe in

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  please read it all, i know it's a bit long, but you need to read it all to see where i am coming from.

  i beleive in creation in the sense that the big bang and spontaneous generation don't make logical sense to me.

  i am sure funkyderek and jan will have some fun with me on this one.

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  lol @ dan. thats actually a very funny comment in the larger context of that infamous illustration and the accompanying quote.

  i should warn you that i have recently come into the possession of a bloody powerful red magic marker and therefore do not except to lose any arguments on here ever again.

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  Any one read David Rohl's books?

  by sleepy in

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  these are two fascinating books on the historisy of the ealier bible accounts.. .

  if you doubt that the books of "moses" were based on real history these books are worth a read.. anyone else read them and what did you think?.

  i what to do more research on ancient bible history and how these stories relate to real history.. i find it amazing how many ancient accounts of early humans mentions gods coming to the earth and breeding with humans.. they usually contain a flood account too.. these stories come from all over the earth from south america , eygpt and asia as well as the middle east.. is there any truth in these stories .. any books you could recomend.

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  ive just recently come across david rohl's theories regarding the amarna period. he seems to play pretty fast and loose with conventionally accepted archeological findings. according to his theories, we should push the entire amarna period forward some 300 years! the evidence for this is suspicious-looking but i havent investigated enough to debunk it well. i just hope that the WT doesnt get their hands on it and start preaching his 'revised chronology.'

  If anyone is more familiar with rohl's theories than me (ginny?), i would like to see some direct counter-arguments. in the meantime sleepy, i would be careful with this guy. his ideas are pretty unorthodox.

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  WT teaches Jesus is SATAN

  by Tallyman in

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  * http://www.intrex.net/talley/jesusatn.html.

  i kontend that this is the absolute biggest flip-flop.

  the watchtower society has ever produced.. now, i'll raise y'all one, and call.. .

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  finished mystery is pretty humourous in light of current teaching if you have the privilege of reading a copy. some other really interesting interpretations that i recall:

  the pope is the devil. (not in so many words.) as evidenced by the roman numerals in the miter's inscription: 'VICARIVS FILII DEI' adding up to 666.

  all four horsemen, INCLUDING the white horse, are the catholic church.

  babylon the great is the catholic church. actually, i think pretty much every wild beast is too.

  this is the book that got them banned and arrested. go figure. on the other hand tho, it had more to do with political maneuvering in russell's wake than biblical interpretation.

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  JW Kids Leave the Organization: Facts

  by Maximus in

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  the october 1 watchtower 2001 features articles on training children "properly" and dealing with a "prodigal child.

  the latest inside u.s. figures reveal that 86% of jw children leave the fold, with some 29% who eventually come back for reasons of family ties, most never "reaching out.

  " that means over half leave permanently.

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  1.5 ^ 1/10 = 1.041

  4.1% annual growth.
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  Cruel Pre-1975 Teaching Point - Persecution

  by Amazing in

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  persecution: sometime around late 1973 early 1974, when jws everywhere were in eager anticipation of armageddon breaking out, we also feared something else.

  prior to armageddon, there would be the great tribulation, and just about this time we expected heavy persecution, so much so, that is was hard to help bible studies (newbies) to get over this fear.. service meeting part: during a service meeting, the elder giving the part was speaking about such persecution and of course all this was prefaced with our obedience to jehovah and his organization, doing all the works, meetings, etc.

  .... ... as he spoke, there was suddenly loud banging on all of our entry-exit doors.

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  if it werent coming from you amazing, id have difficulty believing this... bizarre.

  mox
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  Habitat for Insanity?

  by SixofNine in

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  peep this: http://www.witnessesonline.com/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/witnessesonline/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=5&t=000045

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  i dont recall if i ever registered for wol and theres no 'lost password' function. why arent they 'accepting new registrations at this time'? can u only sign up with another member's recommendation?

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  Ritzville News /Deepthroat

  by silentlambs in

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  tri-city herald.

  by shirley wentworth.

  ritzville - erica rodriguez and her mother, alejandra garza, broke down and cried when the verdict came in.. it took slightly less than four hours for a seven-man, five-woman adams county superior court jury to declare manuel beliz, 48, of othello guilty of two counts of first-degree child rape and two counts of first-degree child molestation.

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  waiting: how interesting if that were true.

  imagine how confusing it must be for Writing to have someone research these human interest awake articles, the same articles that they say receive more favourable mail than any others, mail gushing over how well the society looks after us, adapting to our current needs. and then have the researcher leave the WT because of their research that produced these acclaimed articles.

  on the one hand, the publishers say that these are the articles they want to read but the people that write them say that this is not the organization that should be publishing them! cant go forward - cant go backward.

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  From House to House, From Door to Door....

  by individuals wife in

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  i was in the town this morning and saw a little cluster of jws leaving the kingdom hall, clutching their ministry bags, eager to go out into the field service.... well, maybe eager isnt quite the right word.... anyway, i thought to myself - how many people will they convert today?

  one, two, a whole family?

  the more obvious answer is none at all.

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  thx gopher for clearing that up. that very conundrum is actually addressed in the talk on zeal (forget exact title but have heard many times) in just this way. jealously just seems like one of those concepts that didnt translate well into english.

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  Please help me with the forum

  by Simon in

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  keeping a balance in what is allowed and what is not is very difficult and is more difficult if i have to take action against one person when i have let other things go by others.. it would help a lot if we could stop the personal attacks and some of the name calling & insults that are thrown about.

  i know personalities do and will clash but please disagree about the subjects being discussed and not get personal!.

  if you think someone is deliberately trying to cause arguments please do not respond to them as this is giving in to what they want.

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  how about slashdot style moderation where posts that are considered appropriate can be moderated down a level where most people wont see them unless they choose to? its not censorship cuz the posts are still there. if you dont want to waste your time with them, then dont.

  actually slashdot moderation is incredibly more sophisticated than just that, with peer moderation and merit-based reward or 'karma.' comments can get moderated up or down.

  mox