thx expat for finding that scan!
but that doesnt look very authentic. where are all the tanks and cruise missiles that you added during the long hours of your childhood like me and everyone else?
mox
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32Why the Dinosaur in the Green NWT Bible?
by VM44 ininside the front cover of the green new world translation.
bibles is a map, and in the map is a drawing of a dinosaur.. does anyone know why the dinosaur is there?.
this is something i have actually wondered about for years.. perhaps someone here might know the answer.. --vm44
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Do You Still Believe a God Cares for You?
by JosephAlward ini've been a part of this forum for about one month, and during that time i've been struck by the willingness of many so former jehovah witnesses either to ridicule the bible, or to stand by while it's being ridiculed.
so, i'm wondering how many of them while witnesses suffered through experiences so searing that they no longer believe in the god of the old testament.. who among you still believe that underneath the layers of contradictions, inconsistencies, and errors in the bible there may be found the words of a god who created the universe, and who also cares about you, personally?.
joseph f. alward.
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Moxy
something that im not sure you can appreciate joseph, without having lived it, is the overwhelming rigidity of JW beliefs. everything is tightly integrated, and there is no room to budge established beliefs by an iota. if elements of doctrine are decidedly unanswered (e.g. why did god create the dinosaurs) then no member should even speculate on the subject publicly, private speculation being discouraged. but if an element is decidedly clear (e.g. was the flood global) then certainly no one should speculate otherwise, even privately. and the space between absolute certainty and absolute unanswerability seems so scant as to be negligible. there is little room for any flexiblity at all.
so once a person comes to the point where they must remove a piece of the tightly integrated frame of belief due to incontrovertable evidence, it tends to bring the whole thing crashing down. if even an element of the bible is proven to be less than infallible, it tends to send the entire concept of god into irrevocable doubt.
the idea of an non-inerrantist, but still christian belief system, seems nearly unimaginable. WT literature scoffs at the rank hypocrisy of christian scholars that claim belief in god, while openly expressing belief in a non-literal interpretation of the bible. it seems to me that the vast majority of christians with a reasonably decent education fall into this category, and for some reason i still have difficulty grasping this idea. ex-JWs that find their way into this category seem to be fewer proportionately than the general population.
mox
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J.W's gonna see Harry P ?
by wheelwithinwheel inharry potter is getting great reviews.
looks pretty satanic!
how many witnesses are gonna go see the movie?
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its flimsy because if they started to think about the disney movies they have in mind as 'allowable magic,' they would realize that the 'good' people use magic too, usually just a more sanitized version of it. of course, every parent should personnaly decide what they allow, but the idea that we can apply a simple scriptural principle to movies and say, 'look. this is so simple. heres the rule. if it doesnt pass its bad. no grey area there,' is ridiculous and stupid.
fans of japanese anime may remember a popular hayao miyazaki childrens movie called 'kiki's delivery service' that was generally not allowed to JW kids for similar reasons.
mox
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J.W's gonna see Harry P ?
by wheelwithinwheel inharry potter is getting great reviews.
looks pretty satanic!
how many witnesses are gonna go see the movie?
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how bizarre that the WOLers seem to make the major distinction between how magic is portrayed in the movies. as long as only the bad guys use magic, its ok. HP is bad because magic is glorified too. how flimsy is that?
mox
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JW's and Chronic Fatigue Syndrone!
by cornish inchronic fatigue syndrone, m e, yuppie flu.
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i dont know if anyone else has noticed the alarming number of jws who claim to suffer from chronic fatigue syndrone,i mean hear in cornwall there tend to be several sufferers in every congregation,outside the jws out of the many people i know i dont know anyone,although there are obviosly many outside the jws who suffer this illness,percentage wise it seems that jws have a much,much larger occorance of the illness.. for example my brother in law has not worked and been living on invalidity benefits for more than 10 years since his mid twenties,his brother is also in the same boat, an m.e sufferer.. i wonder if anyone has looked into this a bit more?
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this is intersting. i hadnt known this. this leads me to think that a good number of the JW CFS sufferers ARE mis-diagnosing themselves. i guess i have to actually READ that awake, eh?
• Stress: While it is clear that emotional and physical stresses do amplify CFS symptoms, there is no biological evidence to support either as causing CFS.
http://www.increase-your-energy.com/html/cfs.htmlTests done on CFS and Depression patients show difference in neurological functioning and body chemistry that exclude a relation of the two.
Although its origins remain unknown, CFS is a very real disease, and requires medical attention.
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Cath. Encyclopedia agrees with WT re 607
by Cygnus inunder the heading "babylonia".
at first nabuchodonosor ii began a small guerilla warfare against jerusalem; then, in 607 b.c., he dispatched a considerable army, and after a while began the siege in person.. can any apostate tell me what's wrong with this quote?
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thats interesting. i wonder where he got that from. im pretty sure the WT hasnt tried using this quote that way.
mox
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Any Former Elders?
by ItsJustMe inwould any former elders like to share their experiences serving on judicial committees?
were your decisions subjective?
do you feel that the "system" works?
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Moxy
excellent summary as always h_s.
mox
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Cath. Encyclopedia agrees with WT re 607
by Cygnus inunder the heading "babylonia".
at first nabuchodonosor ii began a small guerilla warfare against jerusalem; then, in 607 b.c., he dispatched a considerable army, and after a while began the siege in person.. can any apostate tell me what's wrong with this quote?
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Moxy
the problem is that it is describing the initial assault on jerusalem in 605 or 'shortly after' 607, when jeconiah was captured. (jer 24:1) the final siege and destruction, i believe you will find in the very next paragraph, is dated at 587.
please dont tell me this is a quote cited in a WT publication in support of 607. is it?
mox
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Children killed by bear and a kind God
by mindfield ini was just wondering about some points in the bible... no, i'm not saying there's a contradiction, i'm trying to find a reasonable answer here.... anyone remember when those two kids started to insult... elijah i believe?
and then he called god on them and a bear killed not only them, but also hundreds more???
jeez.. okay, that's one thing.
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my favourite account of injust punishment along these lines has recently become david's census sin at 2 Sam 24. you simply must read the entire chapter for yourself.
http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=2SAM+24&language=english&version=NIV
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some 2001 year figures reported on wol
by expatbrit innot sure of the accuracy: http://www.witnessesonline.com/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/witnessesonline/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=5&t=000129
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Tot Hours Hrs/Pub/Mo.
1992 1024910434 19.9
1993 1057341972 19.7
1994 1096065354 19.5
1995 1150353444 19.4
1996 1140621714 18.4
1997 1179735841 18.4
1998 1186666708 17.8
1999 1144566849 16.9
2000 1171270425 16.9
2001 1169082225 16.6 * red shows declinestats page: http://www.jwic.com/stat.htm
my stats in excel: http://members.home.net/aghull/stats/stats.xlsmox