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  New NGO-Letter by German Branch

  by GermanXJW in

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  storch - a participant on the german board http://www.infolink-net.de/forum.htm wrote to the german branch.

  he got the following reply.

  and his local elders informed him without any reference to the letter that he is not to do talks in the tms at the moment.. the english translation is mine.

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  Moxy

  yes yes, the statements from brooklyn have been rehashed in detail. the german comments tho are interesting. in fact, i would say that the slters branch has continuously impressed me with their openness, moreso than brooklyn. note that they do not pass off the brooklyn letter as their own words, but state clearly that this is what we got from brooklyn, here it is. then they comment on different matters, at least trying to give a balanced view on media and the net. you may not agree, but i dont think you would get a response like this from brooklyn proper.

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  Do You Still Believe a God Cares for You?

  by JosephAlward in

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  i've been a part of this forum for about one month, and during that time i've been struck by the willingness of many so former jehovah witnesses either to ridicule the bible, or to stand by while it's being ridiculed.

  so, i'm wondering how many of them while witnesses suffered through experiences so searing that they no longer believe in the god of the old testament.. who among you still believe that underneath the layers of contradictions, inconsistencies, and errors in the bible there may be found the words of a god who created the universe, and who also cares about you, personally?.

  joseph f. alward.

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  Moxy

  Also, Paul never mentions a physical Jesus in any of his writings. To Paul, Jesus is a spiritual being like a pagan mystery god.

  altho paul certainly cares or knows little of jesus' earthly life, and the question of what paul thought jesus' life was is far less clear than biblical literalists would like to think, methinks thou dost go too far here.

  2 Cor 5:16: "Therefore from now on we recognize no man according to the flesh; even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer."

  Acts 20:35: In everything I did, I showed you that by this kind of hard work we must help the weak, remembering the words the Lord Jesus himself said: `It is more blessed to give than to receive.'"
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  Anointed Actuarial Report

  by RunningMan in

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  2. friends

  many years ago, i noticed (like the rest of you) that the stubborn anointed.

  ones seemed to be immortal.

  supposedly, they had all been sealed prior.

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  Moxy

  do i understand correctly that the mortality rate is the one for the age in that row and not the rate for the population in general. and so is the age assumed to be avg of 65 in 1970 (ie they were in 30 in 1935) ?

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  The LATEST JW Worldwide report on line

  by bj in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  you can check the worldwide 2001 report at:.

  http://observer.org/apps/pbcs.dll/article?site=wo&date=20011119&category=jwandsociety3&artno=111200001.

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  Moxy

  > Moxy-where do you find the stat on partakers? I did not see it.

  at the very end
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  The LATEST JW Worldwide report on line

  by bj in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  you can check the worldwide 2001 report at:.

  http://observer.org/apps/pbcs.dll/article?site=wo&date=20011119&category=jwandsociety3&artno=111200001.

  joe

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  Moxy

  with all the decreases here, witnesses will be happy to know that the Memorial Partakers has increased again! yay! its oscillated about the same spot now for 14 years.

  with the exception of the anomalous year of 1978, USA has had the lowest number of baptisms on record. my records go back to 1969.

  mox
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  Harry Potter and JWs?

  by CatholicGuy in

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  what's the jw line on harry potter?

  i took my kiddies last night to see it.

  i knew if i didn't take them on the first day of its release i'd be turned in as a deliquent parent!

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  we've had our own local fundies out workin the crowds:

  http://www.nationalpost.com/artslife/arts/movies/story.html?f=/stories/20011119/793747.html

  Peterborough mayor denies link to Potter hate mail
  'It's complete forgery'

  Peterborough Examiner

  PETERBOROUGH, ONT. - As the Harry Potter movie premiered Friday night, dark forces were about -- but this time Lord Voldemort was not to blame.

  As moviegoers packed into local Galaxy Cinemas for the first peek at Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone, letters attributed to Sylvia Sutherland, the Mayor of Peterborough, were being distributed, warning of the "satanic" and "evil" elements in the film.

  "It's complete forgery," Sutherland said.

  "It's absolutely ridiculous."

  She said she was informed of the letters on Saturday morning by Royal Bank employee Ted Hunter, who came across one of the letters while strolling through Peterborough Square.

  Hunter spoke to cleaning staffers who said they had been throwing the letters out all morning. He then contacted the mayor.

  "I immediately felt that it obviously wasn't Sylvia," he said.

  The two-page letter features a photo of Sutherland next to the title: A Message from the Mayor of Peterborough.

  Greeting moviegoers, the letter then describes "dangerous implications" of the film, which has the power to "lure children to Satan." The letter charges that more than 14 million children belong to the Church of Satan, "thanks largely to the unassuming boy wizard from 4 Privet Drive."

  The author then gives examples of children who have turned on God in favour of the dark arts, thanks to Potter's influence.

  Galaxy Cinemas general manager Bill Whelan said it appeared the letters were distributed Friday night throughout the mall and parking lot.

  After watching the film, many audience members found the letters, enclosed in a white envelope with the movie's title and a symbol of the cinema, on their windshields.

  "Everyone has a right to their opinion, but they should have the courage to say from their own mouth and not implicate someone else," Whelan said.

  Sutherland said she's a big fan of the Harry Potter series and was looking forward to seeing the movie after listening to her grandchildren rave about the books.

  While the actual author of the letter is still unknown, Sutherland said if the person is identified she would consider pressing charges.

  mox
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  THE WATCHTOWER - 1 January, 2002. (REPORT)

  by bj in

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  2. friends

  can somebody here scan the report please?

  (or fax it to kent)i'm interested in all of it but the most is france.. joe

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  fred's answer makes perfect sense. unfortunately youll have to wait till at least january for the magazine to be featured and probably several months more for a visit depending on where you live. thanks fred, but i think bj was hoping for something quicker.

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  faithful and discreet slave-33AD till 1914?

  by erik in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  recently, i have come across a question pertaining to the whereabouts of the faithful and discreet slave between the time of the first century christians and 1914.. i have heard two separate things.. 1) that there was no break between the time of the first century christians, and that there was in some way a faithful and discreet slave here on earth.

  note: wt march 1, 1981, p24.

  "jehovah's witnesses believe that this parable to the one true congregation of jesus christ's anointed followers.

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  quick answers:

  Matthew 13:24-30
  

  24 Jesus told them another parable: "The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. 25 But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. 26 When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared. 27 "The owner's servants came to him and said, `Sir, didn't you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?' 28 "`An enemy did this,' he replied. "The servants asked him, `Do you want us to go and pull them up?' 29 "`No,' he answered, `because while you are pulling the weeds, you may root up the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.'"

  wheat=anointed
  weeds=false imitation christians, christendom
  harvest=time of the end
  angels=themselves

  the anointed would 'grow' together with false christians during the centuries up until the last days and then be seperated 'shortly' before armageddon.

  As Jesus cleansed the temple in Jerusalem three and a half years after he was anointed with God's spirit to be King, so three and a half years after he received kingly power in the autumn of 1914 he came to the spiritual temple as Jehovah's Messenger and began to cleanse it. So this occurred in the spring of 1918. That marked the beginning of the period of judgment and inspection of his spirit-begotten followers" Let God be True, p. 202.

  1918/19 chronology is based on several scriptures in revelation that i wont go into here.

  mox
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  Have you worn a suit since you left JW

  by sleepy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  have you worn a suit since you left the org of jehovahs witnesses?.

  i havent.

  what am i going to do with all my shirts ties and suits ?

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  i own way too many black socks now.

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  faithful and discreet slave-33AD till 1914?

  by erik in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  recently, i have come across a question pertaining to the whereabouts of the faithful and discreet slave between the time of the first century christians and 1914.. i have heard two separate things.. 1) that there was no break between the time of the first century christians, and that there was in some way a faithful and discreet slave here on earth.

  note: wt march 1, 1981, p24.

  "jehovah's witnesses believe that this parable to the one true congregation of jesus christ's anointed followers.

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  youre getting the slave class prophecy mixed up with the gentile times prophecy. the WT interpretation is that the anointed have always existed in an unbroken line since the apostasy but in a disorganized state according to the wheat and weeds parable. at times, small groups may have come together temporarily, having grasped pieces of the whole truth, but the true organization was not chosen and cleansed with the Truth until 1918-1919. no positive identification is ever made of pre-russel anointed individuals but strong indication is given that people like tyndale, wycliffe, the waldenses, etc were.

  mox