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  Do JW's Actually Believe This Stuff?!?

  by Mister Biggs in

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  this was just forwarded to me.. (we need more comets to help take all of the stupid people away from among us!).

  this comes from the branch in canada....... in england one of our blind brothers had a seeing-eye dog that would.

  faithfully guide and take him to the meetings each week.

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  ive heard this experience on more than occasion.

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  Roman Empire Still Alive and Kicking

  by Defender in

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  there has been a lot of discussion here about the succession of world powers and where we are now in the timeline of things especially when compared to scriptural prophecies.. of interest is daniel's interpretation of the dream that king nebuchadnezzar had of a large image recorded in chapter 2:40.

  "and as for the fourth kingdom, it will prove to be strong like iron.

  forasmuch as iron is crushing and grinding everything else, so like iron that shatters, it will crush and shatter even all these.

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  ???!?!?!?!!!!

  because english uses latin, america and the UK are offshoots of rome?!?

  this is bizarre! think about this. english uses about as much greek as latin and the democratic government is greek in origin. shouldnt that count for more points?!? is america merely an offshoot of greece? how on earth do you reason this way? how can you say the distinction between 7th century BC babylon and 6th century BC persia is greater than the distinction between 1st century rome and the american and british governments, TWO THOUSAND YEARS later???

  sry to carry on like this but this gets me.

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  Future timeline

  by Moxy in

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  from slashdot:.

  ian pearson, a british futurist, has produced a sort of timeline of the future, which provides a simultaneously hopeful and bleak look into the coming decades.

  mr. pearson has evidently had a fairly high success rate; a timeline he produced in 1991 was about 85% accurate.

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  from slashdot:

  Ian Pearson, a British futurist, has produced a sort of timeline of the future, which provides a simultaneously hopeful and bleak look into the coming decades. Mr. Pearson has evidently had a fairly high success rate; a timeline he produced in 1991 was about 85% accurate. An article on Yahoo news has a summary.

  http://www.btexact.com/white_papers/downloads/WP106.pdf
  http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20020217/tc_nm/life_britain_future_dc_2&cid=581

  interesting to see a possible future we all thought we'd never experience. look at the dates and figure out how old you will be when these things potentially happen.

  excerpts:

  Confessions to AI priest - 2004
  Frequent use of multiple Net identities cause personality disorders - 2005
  Orgasm by email - 2010
  First manned mission to Mars - 2015
  Creation of the Matrix - 2025
  Artificial brain - 2035

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  Will Cloning Disprove the Resurrection?

  by metatron in

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  ok, we take a skin cell from you.. we use its nucleus to create a clone - of you.. we train it in all your memories and abilities.

  we use "false memory" techniques to convince the clone.

  that its memories are real.. is it you?

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  Really! The idea of a computer reproducing the fine-grained patterns of neural activity is ridiculous! Not all the computers in the world today could simulate a single brain! And even if we somehow banded them all up together, the latency would be so huge that the experiment would be moot anyway.

  sigh, it seems really pointless to bring up technical limitations when the entire subject of discussion is clearly far beyond our technical capabilites already and is clearly a thought experiment.

  i believe the argument is that if a hypothetical silicon chip that could reproduce all the functions of a neuron precisely could be used to assemble a mind, the mind would be identical to ours and would not know the difference. heisenberg and technical limitations dont enter into it.

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  Part 1: Trial of JFR et al

  by Amazing in

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  part 1: trial of jfr et al .

  references for the following: trial transcript, pages 64-71, sect.

  190-213.. note: future installments will be much shorter.

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  thx amazing - this is very interesting.

  although hardly a 'railroad job,' the trial may be fairly characterized as being unjust. this is what i would like to determine from the transcripts. from the timeline, it seems like the trial WAS quick, 45 days from charges to sentencing. i know it was different then than today's back-logged standards, but still, can anyone comment on the comparative speed of that trial.

  and anyways they WERE exonerated shortly afterward, so i would have to think something wasnt done right here.

  looking forward to more.

  mox
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  Special Assembly Day

  by Moxy in

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  i hadnt thought there was much worth posting about this past weekends sad on the theme 'submit yourselves to god - oppose the devil.

  ' pretty standard stuff, i didnt take any notes and nodded off towards the end.

  but i do remember one item that ill share.

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  i hadnt thought there was much worth posting about this past weekends SAD on the theme 'submit yourselves to god - oppose the devil.' pretty standard stuff, i didnt take any notes and nodded off towards the end. but i do remember one item that ill share. it just made me particularly uncomfortable.

  again, submission was the theme. and in a talk that discussed the need for children to be submissive, the speaker used the example of the 42 children who make fun of elisha and get killed. now this is an account, of all the accounts in the bible, that i have been the least comfortable with using in a talk. the verse uses the word 'children' or 'youths' in different translations, and the bears that god sends to kill them when elisha calls down evil on them are said 'tear apart' the children in the NWT, or 'maul' or 'rip up' in others. its just the most disgusting image to use. often when a hear a speaker uses the scripture, he takes great pains to soften it, pointing out that the term 'children' could refer to young but mature men, or describing in detail that the apparently childish taunts were actually much more meaningful expressions of disrespect for jehovah. well this speaker didnt really do that. he speculated a bit on what the 'go up' part of the taunt meant with relation to elisha's office, but keyed in primarily on making fun of elisha's age. he did not discuss the age of the children but simply ended the discussion with the warning to the children in the audience to respect those older than them or, euphemistically, 'it might not go well for you in the future.' the message seemed raw and direct. children who make fun of older people may face a gruesome death at gods hands. i was squirming, looking around to see if anyone else looked uneasy underneath their bored expressions, but could not pick it up if it was there.

  a lot of the time when at meetings these days, i feel a general trend towards direct and simplistic statements as opposed to softened, reasoned ones. my biases do not permit to clearly say for sure if that is the case.

  mox
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  JW Claims About Who Will Be Saved

  by AlanF in

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  we on this forum understand that the watchtower society will not hesitate to lie to the public in order to put its best foot forward.

  many of us know that the society's media website, http://www.jw-media.org contains quite a bit of misleading information, such as on the shunning issue.

  under the link to "their beliefs" -> "frequently asked questions" ( http://www.jw-media.org/beliefs/beliefsfaq.htm ) they ask the question, "do you believe that you are the only ones who will be saved?

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  nice alan.

  hard to pin down the language in an analysis like this tho since, according to WT doctrine, anyone god judges as meriting life is by definition a witness of jehovah. so to say they teach only JWs will survive armaggedon is almost a tautology, dontcha think?

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  Hellfire, God's name & the trinity?

  by moman in

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  invariably, when ever i talk to a dub, i get the same pre-programmed response, "what other religion exposes hell fire, uses god's name jehovah, and & refutes the trinity?.

  i have my answers ready, but what do you say?

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  all these doctrines were borrowed from previous religious groups. russell expressed his gratitude to these other faiths from which he learned some of these teachings initially. He elaborated on some and altered others and eventually developed his own theology.

  you have as much right to do the same, to say, 'yes. i agree with that doctrine. thank you very much. ill be going now.'

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  The sick mind of the JW

  by JT in

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  you got to love these folks.

  james.

  >>interesting remarks at morning worship from tom & esther chin:.

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  for what its worth. this experience was repeated by a member of the Canadian bethel yesterday at a SAD.
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  Workplace dilemma

  by Lady Lee in

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  as some of you know i work in a hostel.

  about 3 weeks ago 2 ladies came in.

  they were from out of town and needed a place to stay until they could find jobs and get settled.

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  im afraid i agree. this is inappropriate. if the situation were reversed, a JW employee preaching to someone staying, everyone would cry 'foul.'

  mox