Posts by cptkirk

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The Crux of the Matter For Me

by MrDarkKnight in

it has been very interesting and beneficial reading the posts and comments of everyone on the board since i joined back in june of this year.

the recent efforts of mankeli have made me consider exactly what it is i have issue with when it comes to the teachings of the wtbs and jehovah's witnesses.

i have stated my background before: 38 years in the organization, 10 years at bethel in responsible positions, 15 years an elder with circuit and district responsibilities and parts on circuit and disctrict assemblies, a former member of the hospital liason committee and a presiding overseer for 5 years.

cptkirk

please don't dignify mankeli...it makes me wonder about some of you, that you can't discern he is pathological. i think it might be that some of you are older, and don't understand how to figure people out through text.

i do have one question for you darkknight, you're obviously up in age based on the history you state. seems like a strange alias for an older guy? mrdarkknight? sounds like something a young kid would name himself.

anyway i have a question for you. you were a presiding overseer for 5 years? one thing i want to know...something that really surprised me that i was told shortly before i left ...was talking to a guy about a situation where they weren't going to let a guy get baptized because of something he was involved with...and he started telling me about how the GB got involved with this situation...he went on to tell me the GB is actually involved a lot more than i guess most people realize...(the guy telling me this didn't seem surprised, he thought i was weird because i didn't know this)...but anyway he told me that the GB prays over all elder appointments? if you were a PO you must know the answer to this? and the fact that the GB plays an active role with the BOE's in any given cong? this was all shocking news to me, and i want to know if this is true.

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Please Post Reasons For Not Believing The Witnesses Have The "Truth" Anymore

by minimus in

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i see a few want to believe in the watchtower's view of bible prophecy, scriptural understandings and the view that the "anointed remnant" dispense the "spiritual food at the proper time".. how would you refute those views?.

cptkirk

any of you ever heard the saying, "you wrestle with pigs, you come out smelling like shit"? you need to ignore mankeli. he knows exactly what he's doing, he's making a mockery of the entire notion of challenging the wt...which is exactly what they want? anyone that challenges them to seem mentally sick?

and if you consistently engage the mentally sick...what do you become yourself.......?

When I was little... my father was famous.
He was the greatest sam-urai in the empire;
and he was the Shogun's decapitator.
He cut off the heads of a hundred and thirty-one lords.
It was a bad time for the empire.
The Shogun just stayed inside his castle -- and he never came out.
People said his brain was infected by DEVILS.
My father would come home -- he would forget about the killings.
He wasn't scared of the Shogun, but the Shogun was scared of him.
Maybe that was the problem.
Then, one night... the Shogun sent his ninja spies to our house.
They were supposed to kill my father... but they didn't.
*woman screams*
That was the night everything changed

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What Term Can Replace "Publisher" ?

by OnTheWayOut in

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indulge the possibility that, as profits from printed materials become thinner, watchtower might want to stop having members carry printed materials to the homes of many.

i know it will probably go through more phases of "cheapening" the materials (softcover books, pamplets instead of brochures, flyers instead of pamphlets) but let's consider the idea that they will one day cease delivering anything printed.. the door-to-door work is huge in controlling members and monitoring loyalty.

pioneers are their biggest supporters.

cptkirk

hand job, something more jw's could use.

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What Term Can Replace "Publisher" ?

by OnTheWayOut in

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indulge the possibility that, as profits from printed materials become thinner, watchtower might want to stop having members carry printed materials to the homes of many.

i know it will probably go through more phases of "cheapening" the materials (softcover books, pamplets instead of brochures, flyers instead of pamphlets) but let's consider the idea that they will one day cease delivering anything printed.. the door-to-door work is huge in controlling members and monitoring loyalty.

pioneers are their biggest supporters.

cptkirk

i think i got your winner man. "knob polishers" it's got a nice duality to it. also, the irony being, they would do more good for society by literally polishing the householder's door knobs, rather then propagating their brain dead material. "sally paints the walls at 4pm on fridays" ok paragraph 1, can we get some mics going here please? ok what does sally paint? and the b part, what time does sally generally do her painting?

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any thoughts on this?

by cptkirk in

i was just thinking to myself about how many %$% ups the jw/wt crew make, whether on personal levels, or on doctrinal levels.

it seems like whenever stuff like this happens, whether it's trivial or really they botch something major, the answer is always just, "more field service, or pray more".

what about the countless victims they have accrued?

cptkirk

does this not at the very least show those in this organization who seem like honest sincere people....does this at the very least not show these people that your entire organization is working off of a false premise? and a false foundation? and you can stomach that? you can stomach going around telling people you are teaching them the truth, while you know your entire religion is working off a false premise? i welcome any real jw lurking here, to tell me how any honest human being could do this and remain just that, an honest person?

it's either one or the other. it's either god wants the society to be run as a respectable responsible society. OR god wants you to just pray more and keeps a hands off approach to all of this criminal activity. it's not both. both = lie. both = cognitive dissonance. god is perfect, both = imperfect. you are teaching lies, packaged in truth, period.

there is no half justice. if the us govt. just took 10-15% of criminals and dealt with them in the courts and prison system, then left the other 85% up to god...guess where society would be? crumbling under no structure.

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any thoughts on this?

by cptkirk in

i was just thinking to myself about how many %$% ups the jw/wt crew make, whether on personal levels, or on doctrinal levels.

it seems like whenever stuff like this happens, whether it's trivial or really they botch something major, the answer is always just, "more field service, or pray more".

what about the countless victims they have accrued?

cptkirk

i was just thinking to myself about how many %$% ups the jw/wt crew make, whether on personal levels, or on doctrinal levels. it seems like whenever stuff like this happens, whether it's trivial or really they botch something major, the answer is always just, "more field service, or pray more". what about the countless victims they have accrued? and i'd guess 9 times out of 10 the victims never get an apology, nothing. whether they are a victim of botched doctrine, or molestation, wife beating, "marking", whatever on and on and on and on and on and on....

i'm not making this post just because i'm bored, i actually have a lot of work to do. i'm really trying to figure out the morality of all this. the countless victims whatever category they fit in to, 9 times out of 10 these people do not get any kind of apology right? or anything for that matter right? those who victimized these people, are never accountable to those that they victimized? they just "do more field service, or pray more"....

i'm trying to wrap my head around this...i can't. does this make any sense to any sane human being?

if i was molested while "worshipping god"...and i stop going to meetings....nobody ever says sorry to me, nothing. i am just expected to go back to the meetings on my own, hoping that the person that molested me did more hours in service?

or if someone spread lies about me in the congregation because of jealousy or whatever the case might be...and i stop going to meetings...i'm supposed to just go back to meetings expecting that those involved just prayed more?

how does this sound like anything other than cult behavior?

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Outright Misrepresentations of Quotes and Citations in Watchtower Literature

by Londo111 in

the research of doug mason, annomaly, and others have been eye opening in regards to the society's recent articles on 607 bc.

what i find most disturbing is the misrepresentations of scholars, who are quoted in such a way to say one thing, when they meant something completely different.

it is one thing to teach a doctrine, and quite another to play fast and loose with the truth.

cptkirk

if you look at their own book, think it's called "all scripture inspired" it's blue. it quotes caesar in regard to "crucifying" people....as a means to add veracity to their writings? why the hell would you quote a first century caesar talking about crucifixion, if your whole stance is that it was a stake? it should be under "acts" in that inspired book. it goes on to say something about some egregious sect called christians were irritating everyone, so caesar blamed some of the fires in rome on them, and then had them all crucified. was a fun place to live i heard.

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What's your view on who REALLY are the "mentally diseased" apostates?

by Fernando in

religion allows us to know the "god of religion".. .

the unabridged gospel/bissar/injeel allows us to know the "god of abraham".. .

know = be intimate with (spiritual union or intercourse).

cptkirk

the scriptures give a very simplistic outline of what a true christian is. to follow christ and be christ-like is to: suffer evil, take care of people who are weak, do the work of an evangelizer (open to interpretation). there were many people christ approved of that were obviously not bangin on doors. to me this means someone that stands up and speaks when something is wrong. evangelize in the sense that someone is being mistreated and you speak out and or teach against the inequity).

that's it, that sums up the whole christianity thing. it was supposed to be simple so that stupid people wouldn't be left out right?

WT doesn't do any of this. they preach, but they preach what? that you become enslaved to their *very complicated* (and ever changing) interpretations.

they don't suffer evil either. especially the elders and basically the hierarchy. they may suffer, just like any other jerk suffers. they don't suffer because they are being wronged, and that they are turning the other cheek (the sad thing is, they are usually the instrument causing the kind of harm on people THAT JESUS WAS TRYING TO PROTECT PEOPLE AGAINST IN THE FIRST PLACE. ie. all this judicial bullshit, shunning, now their new term they are marking people?

take care of the weak? the various jw's i've been around from different areas are basically the same...if you got cancer, they expect you knocking on doors...these people aren't empathetic people.

it's pretty simple. the jw organization is clearly an apostate organization.

can you imagine if people at the doors knew that they sent the sick out in service? the people at the door are probably like wow you are really dedicated, you are sick and yet you find this so important? not realizing they are probably doing it because they are scared to death they will be shunned by an organization that has forced them to cut-off all their other relationships, ie. leaving them completely isolated and dying...what choice do they have?

it's pretty simple. the jw organization is clearly an apostate organization.

I might be mentally diseased.....if so, then how much worse does it sound if a mentally diseased person such as myself, can in a few sentences dismantle your entire religion?

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Im a mormon

by deservingone26 in

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im a mormon now and have been one for the last 3 months.

at first i really liked it but now i am starting to have 2nd thoughts, i grew up as a jehovahs witness and was disfellowshiped at 19 i really started to look for a new church in july of this year.

i started out in a christian church which i really liked but i didnt understand the jesus as god thing/trinity.

cptkirk

opiate of the masses.

-karl marx

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heh...no idea how i just found this..

by cptkirk in

wasn't even looking for something like this, was just looking for some good metal music to listen to while i did my college work.

"he was raised a jw" he says.. .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwdbiajbebk.

cptkirk

you guys are more fired up than normal. i think my point was coincidences happen, more than i am a god.