as soeone raised in the truth my whole life i am struggling with a basic doctrinal issue.
the issue has to do with universal sovreignty and the ransom sacrifice.
let me try to illustrate by way of analogy:.
Isn't anyone going to comment on the story I posted, that the District Overseer told. I can't believe no one said anything about it.
Or.....about the way the nations around Israel practiced child sacrifice and then Abraham was asked to offer up his son?
Anyone?
the first question is:.
i ask you would paul even think of doing such as thing as the wt has done here?????
i asked them not to keep double-talking me but to just come out and say what the charges are.
I know of third generation JW, who successfully appealed a df'ing. He was a close friend of my brother's so this is absolutely the truth. He had gotten many in the congregations to invest in a bogus investment thing, unknowingly. Everyone lost everything, including him. So he faced a JC, that df'd him. He appealed and lost. Then he wrote to the Society and implied he was consulting an attorney. They overturned the disfellowshipping, after it had been announced. Then they walked away.
here's your chance to complement a poster whose posts make you think, make you mad, make you laugh, make you cry.
i usually find something that i dig in everybody's post around these parts.
but i'll single out some peeps in particular.
My favorites: Venice for sure......my buddy,
Princess.....always enjoy what my daughter has to say.
Mommy, a stable influence, Fred Hall for comic relief,
AlanF for his wisdom and ability to make just the right
point, Amazing for his amazing posts, outnfree because
she is fabulous, Redhorsewoman because she says some
awesome things, slip is funny so can't forget him,
TR is also really great, Ros is a sweetie, etc. etc.
Esmerelda, for sharing her family with me, so similar
to mine, especially the Mom!! And Bill Bowen (silentlambs)
you are just AWESOME!!
I will probably come back and edit this one.
Mulan
How could I forget Englishman!! So funny and right on!! Kent, JanG, JanH, and more.
i wish to conduct a legitimate poll, or at least as legitimate as it can get on this forum.
unless you are or were a jw, please do not respond or make comments.
please simply give an answer, without extended comments.
Marilyn (a.k.a. Mulan) I have known 5 child molesters.
i have been working on my letter to our local congregation to dis-associate myself.. since my wife is still very active in the non-truth and she also insist that i write this letter, i believe i will take her congregation address and telephone list and send my letter with all the facts about the wbts history of lies and send everyone in the congregation my letter via certified mail.
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it would probally set me back a few hundred bucks but i think it would be well worth it, what do you think??
I recommend fading away, because it drives them NUTS!! They want to dispose of you, and writing the letter or being df'd falls into their plan, not yours. I want to be in control of my own life, and I get a kick out of NOT being da'd or df'd. When we went to the last meeting, in January 1997, I said no one will EVER control my life again. And no one does........well maybe my grandkids. They know how to push my buttons.
My daughter celebrates all the holidays very publicly, and they still don't df her or her husband. My youngest son, was baptized in a Christian church, and they leave him alone.......he also wears a cross. They should be df'ing us, but they don't. So, I think it's a blast to watch them squirm, wishing they could. But they just don't have the courage or something, to do so. The rumor mill says that we will sue if they do it to us. We have never said that, but it might be why they leave us alone. Too funny, anyway.
as soeone raised in the truth my whole life i am struggling with a basic doctrinal issue.
the issue has to do with universal sovreignty and the ransom sacrifice.
let me try to illustrate by way of analogy:.
I discussed this post with my df'd brother today, and he made an itneresting commnent. At least to me it was pretty interesting.
If you believe the ransom sacrifice doctrine, and the Abraham and Isaac story, and you support it because God approved of this, you are condoning child sacrifice. Didn't the Israelites, and their God, Jehovah, condemn that? Where did it come from? Hmmmm.
when you were in the borg.
in all honesty, could you say that you were h.a.p.p.y?
i mean really happy.
Yes, as a child, I was very happy. My entire extended family were dubs, and since they became that, when I was 5, I don't really have anything to compare with.
When I was married, the first 8 years were difficult, because my husband was a part time meeting attender. In 1970, he got the spirit I guess, and moved ahead very fast, and was appointed an elder in 1973. He quickly got many responsibilities in the congregation, circuit and district. That was great, and I loved that......but probably for the 'glory'. But in many ways, I raised the children alone, because there were so many meetings and meeting parts he had to be part of. He was the School overseer for years, and then the WT conductor. He was very serious about those jobs, and studied very carefully. I still think that's why he was open to hearing 'truths' that others don't want to see. Too many things didn't add up for him.
When I pioneered, I loved the first year. Very exciting. After that, it was pure torture. I finally quit because I just couldn't justify spending the time doing that fruitless work. I would spend literally days, without talking to more than two or three people at the door. I felt my family deserved better from me, than that. A good meal, and a cleaner house, for example. And a mother at home when my son came home from school. Three years later, we began our journey out of the Borg. So, for about 20 years, of my marriage, I was happy. I guess that answers the question.
this friday the elders are coming over to discuss my da letter.
i keep studying and thinking of what i want to say.
i'm sure they'll open with a prayer.
Jurs, I loved what you said to humble. Yes, the truth hurts, it doesn't stink!!
I wish you well tomorrow. It sounds like you are determined to do this, but as I said before, it 'smells' to me like they are on a fishing expedition to see if you are guilty of something so they can disfellowship you. Outnfree said something pretty similar, so be careful. I always advise people to ask questions, when a question is asked of you. "why do you ask?" "who said that about me?" "what will you do if I give the 'wrong' answer, in your opinion?" Then just don't answer. You don't have to answer a question, just because they ask it.
My husband told some elders one time, that "you can't legislate private thoughts, and no one has a right to hear my private thoughts, and they will stay private." It worked for us. You can also say this, "Jehovah knows what is in my heart, and you do NOT have the right to that information."
Get a tape recorder.
hi humble: i saw an exchange between you and billygoat on another thread.
amnong the jws that post here, i do find you more rational and honest to exchange thoughts ... but, your last comment to billy made me a little curious:.
you said, billygoat: you are right that "bad associations spoil useful habits.
A few years ago, JW's with web sites, if they identified themselves, were contacted by their congregations and told to take their sites down. An elder friend, who still talks to us, told us that one. It was because some of the site were posting the scriptures to be used in the book study and the WT study, and all you had to do was print them off for every meeting. I guess the GB didn't want them doing that. When we were going, they didn't want us taking the scriptures off, and printing them out. I did it anyway. haahahhahaha
Recently, a friend called me to see if I would go into the single JW's site, to see who is posting there, because her Presiding Overseer son, had been told to counsel this man to NOT be on that site, by the Circuit Overseer.
the regulars here may remember that my daughter starting posting here last week, under the name princess.
in chat, people have asked if she is pretty, and i say she is.
she also looks just like me, but thinner, and prettier.
Hey Kismet. The red eyes are a nice touch.
