Posts by Mum

It turns out that the WTBTS or JW.org or whatever they call themselves these days, don't really care if you believe everything they say as long as you appear to/act like you believe it all. They can't see into your brain, so they have to go by observation, which is not valid when it comes to religion.

In 1979, I left my JW elder husband and began to live independently. I had no argument with the beliefs of the borg at the time I left. After two years, I realized it was all smoke and mirrors, total fantasy. So, please be patient with yourself and take baby steps if necessary - that is, if you want to be free of the anxiety that follows being a JW.

I do not regret leaving. I moved far away so I would not be harassed or bullied by the witnesses after leaving my husband. The job market was much stronger then, and I found a job easily after about 8 years of staying at home. It's not as easy nowadays, but it's easier to use the internet to help yourself find employment. If you have a "worldly" friend in another state who might take you in until you get on your feet, you might consider moving in with them.

Do what is right and best for yourself, please.

Best wishes.

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Jesus to run for record 26th term in office !

by Simon in

sources within heaven have revealed to us that jesus h christ intends to run for what would become his 26th term in office as ruler of the galaxy.. since his first term began in 1914 he's been unopposed in office despite, many say, failing to deliver on any of his pre-election promises.

they point to promises of "an end to death and eternal life for all" as being unrealistic given the funding given to healthcare as just one of many examples.. critics say the elections themselves are rigged and in fact no one even gets to case a vote because his father simply declares him the winner.

they believe that have proof that this was planned for some time in what many are calling "biblegate" and point to basic un standardsfor democracy which haven't been lived up to.. many of his supporters thought that his 16th term beginning in 1975 would define his rulership but they lost faith when his party later blamed them for having "unrealistic expectations".. "i did originally support him", says one man who didn't want to be identified for fear of reprisals, "but i'm starting to grow old and now think i'll die without ever seeing any of the changes his promised to enact".. we tried to contact the heaven party to ask when he planned to do any of the things he promised.

Mum

I'm voting for Epictetus, a real person of great wisdom, also dead.

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can an unhappy married woman vent?

by sowhatnow in

i continue to be saddened by the fact that i am married to such a selfish man.. i want to know if i am the only wife who has no say when it comes to using the house she lives in for activities including other people.. .

let me explain.. yesterday my daugher who is 35 got a new puppy for my grandaughter who is 13. today my daughter and son in law are going to help my uncle at a job, and my granddaughter wanted to spend the day here, my daugher said shed bring her and the puppy over, i laughed and said 'your dad wont have that, ill have to go to your house'.. after all it will 'upset' the 2 cats they will hide all day [like they do anytime someone including my grandchild is in my home] .. i already knew that he would not like it if she brought the puppy over, [weve had dogs so its not like he hates them].

he doesnt care if his grandaughter would have enjoyed playing with the puppy over grandmas house, where she likes to be for a change, and that fact that id like to see what my cats would do when they saw a dog for the first time in thier lives.. maybe id have liked to play with the puppy .. when i said to my husband that my daughter said she wanted tp bring them over he said.

Mum

Hi, sowhatnow. I can relate to many things you said. I've been married twice - and divorced twice. My first husband was a JW, 9 years older than I. As men go, he was top grade. That is, he didn't chase other women, didn't beat me, etc. I find it odd that I have to state how decent he was in terms of what he did NOT do. He was irascible and demanding. After 10 years, I couldn't take the anxiety any longer concerning what I didn't do well enough or what I neglected to do. (Mind you, I was not perfect either, but I was also not demanding and hateful). One time I babysat a sister's toddler daughter so she could take her 4-year-old son to the dentist. I was sternly reprimanded and told that the only reason to babysit would be so that she could go out in service.

Finally, I decided that I could no longer handle the psychological abuse, and I left, moved to the other end of the country. Thank God I was still young enough (32) to start over.

I don't know where you live, but there may be hope. There are state-sponsored programs in some places to help women like yourself build a life of their own. If you choose to get a divorce, I'm almost certain your husband would have to pay you alimony. Your sister might also look into finding such a program. The one where I used to live was through the community college. You're not too old to start over, believe me. Personally, I didn't get what a consider a good job until I was 48. I lived on low wages, but I know how to get along with very little and shop for bargains.

I recommend that you contact your community college and Social Services in your town to find out how you can help yourself.

Venting is fine, but the important part is what you're doing about it!

Best wishes for a better future.

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HELP ME COMPILE A LIST OF DISCARDED WORDS AND PHRASES from the WTS

by Terry in

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in fort worth, texas around 1959. gradually i became aware of the argot.

special, private language).

jw's had these phrases they used over and over again.. upon first hearing, these words and phrases stood out as odd, weird or awkward.. however.

Mum

For a time in the '70's, vacation pioneering became "temporary" pioneering before it became "auxiliary" pioneering.

I've been told that I'm "demonized."

Persons of interest were called "goodwill" or "people of goodwill."

Other JW phrases are "theocratic arrangement" and "willful sin."

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I'm Shocked The Jehovah's Witnesses Even Allow Their Kids To Go To Mainstream Schools.

by Jehovanomics in

judging by the material that my kid brings home on a daily basis in copius amounts.

everything about everything in elementary school goes against the doctrines of the jehovah's witnesses.

how do jw's expect to make any money if all of their kids are defecting the jw's?

Mum

awake!watcher, welcome to the forum!

I agree with Separation of Powers. Little dubs have to learn to deal with "opposition" and "persecution" for not eating a cupcake!

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The Hum Drum Lives of Jehovah's Witnesses

by minimus in

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boring and useless, a waste of valuable time..

Mum

Being a JW limits one's opportunities to explore great art, great music, great literature, science and math. One is required to suppress his or her gifts and talents in order to conform and recruit new JW's.

Since I have left, I have read many books, including plenty of self-help books, have acquired a college degree, learned about various fields (e.g., law, medicine, engineering) through gainful employment. The world and all its horrors and delights are available to me. My daughter, born into a JW family, never (even as a small child) liked the dub "lifestyle."

When I first became a JW at age 15 (without anyone else in my family), it was a step up for me. I came from an uneducated, unmotivated family. My egg donor and sperm donor were abusive, physically and psychologically. I was very fond of the love bombing I got at the KH. I got to go to assemblies, which was so exciting to me because I had never stayed in a hotel at all or eaten out for days on end. I had always wanted to see other places, and being a JW gave me some opportunity on that front. To me, the dubs seemed very well educated and sophisticated, articulate and experienced. As time went on, of course, being a JW was stifling and limiting.

Je ne regrette rien. - Edith Piaf

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too nice and polite

by Phaedra in

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anyone finding themselves being labeled as "too nice" or "polite" after being a lifelong jw and integrating into the "new world" of realistic beings?.

Mum

I don't think you have to be a JW to be "too nice." My grandparents were far too nice, but they wanted nothing to do with JW's, bless them! I consider myself almost "terminally" polite, but I'm working on a more confident, in-your-face attitude.

In fact, I'm pretty sure I was much nicer before I was a JW. I was brought up by my grandparents until age 11, and learned acceptance and tolerance as well as kindness and generosity, qualities that are not well received in the Watchtower world. In fact, this realization was one of the reasons I finally got out of the cult.

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What do you want for Christmas?

by Hortensia in

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it's ok to share your xmas wishes here -- none of us is going to buy you anything, anyway!.

i have a list of books on my wishlist at amazon, some about critical thinking, some about knitting, some about yurok indian basketry.

i wouldn't mind getting any of those.

Mum

I would like a nice grey peacoat like the one I recently gave to charity and now regret (somewhat, mixed feelings), a Red Lobster gift certificate, a long trip to Europe and, of course, world peace. I have so many books already, probably more than I can read in this lifetime. I still want more, so I also want more time for reading.

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Looking to Move in a few years?

by Still Totally ADD in

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my wife and i are thinking about moving to central tn somewhere between crossville and cookeville.

maybe even as far west to lebanon or as far east to hariman.

things have changes so much for us in the last 6 months we would like to live were it is a little warmer with lots of wild herbs for my wife who is a herbalist and for me so i can garden more.

Mum

Hi, STADD. Tennessee is an excellent choice, with some of the most beautiful scenery and kindest people anywhere. I am originally from Claiborne County, Tennessee, on the Kentucky (Bell County) and Virginia (Lee County) border. It is one of the most beautiful places in the U.S. There are several small towns there - Speedwell (my favorite for scenic beauty), Cumberland Gap (a village of fewer than 300 people), Harrogate (home of Lincoln Memorial University), Tazewell, and New Tazewell. The roads used to have lots of hairpin turns, but modern engineering makes driving easy these days. Cumberland Gap National Historical Park is there, too.

If you could visit the area and take a look around, you might fall in love with it!

Best wishes in your search!