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  Questions for Those in an Alcoholic Relationship

  by FreePeace in

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  these questions are aimed at non-alcoholic ex-jw's who have survived or left an alcoholic relationship.. given that the bible says god hates a divorcing, to what extent did religious beliefs keep you in the alcoholic relationship?.

  to what extent did peer pressure from the congregation keep you in the relationship?.

  what made you decide to leave the alcoholic relationship when you did?.

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  Mum

  Yes, Francois, that is an excellent point that alcoholics do not get help until they hit bottom. I have an addicted brother and had an addicted husband. Both have such felicitous lives with guaranteed incomes that it is impossible, short of some global cataclysm, for that bottom to be reached.

  Hitting bottom is a disguised blessing for those who experience it. It is being forced to come face to face with the truth that brings about change.

  Seize the day, and put the least possible trust in tomorrow. - Horace

  I have learned to live each day as it comes and not to borrow trouble by dreading tomorrow. - Dorothy Dix
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  Greek heroes & the nephalim

  by Simon in

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  can anyone remember this being in print or hearing the same thing .... i remember more than one talk where the suggestion was made that the larger-than-life greek heroes were the same nephalim or "mighty ones of old" mentioned in the bible.. does anyone else remember this?

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  Mum

  I confess that I never heard of this WT theory. I'm sure it's in the Bible, or they wouldn't have said it! ;-)

  So there really WAS a Prometheus? Hercules? Jupiter? Hera? etc. etc. etc...........................

  Seize the day, and put the least possible trust in tomorrow. - Horace

  I have learned to live each day as it comes and not to borrow trouble by dreading tomorrow. - Dorothy Dix
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  Visits

  by PhilBot in

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  just so happens that when u want ppl there not there?.

  if thejo's witness dont celebrate xmas then they should not mind visiting me on xmas day because no one eles will be doing... il apreciate the co.. if nothing else!.

  address can be added later if reqested..

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  Mum

  Welcome to the board. I will be alone this Christmas, too. I am going to call a couple of local missions and see if they need volunteers to serve Christmas dinner to the homeless and financially challenged.

  I will have a happy Christmas because I will make it so! You can, too.

  Regards,
  Mum

  Seize the day, and put the least possible trust in tomorrow. - Horace

  I have learned to live each day as it comes and not to borrow trouble by dreading tomorrow. - Dorothy Dix
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  Questions for Those in an Alcoholic Relationship

  by FreePeace in

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  2. friends

  these questions are aimed at non-alcoholic ex-jw's who have survived or left an alcoholic relationship.. given that the bible says god hates a divorcing, to what extent did religious beliefs keep you in the alcoholic relationship?.

  to what extent did peer pressure from the congregation keep you in the relationship?.

  what made you decide to leave the alcoholic relationship when you did?.

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  Mum

  Bravo, Francois!

  I was in an alcoholic marriage for 9 years. I was not a JW at the time, as I was married a second time after leaving the JW's.

  What ended the marriage. My husband got to the point where he was drunk around the clock. One night when the alcoholic was particularly abusive, my daughter was driving us (me, my daughter and 2-year-old granddaughter) to a hotel for the night. We were pulling out of the driveway when the alcoholic jumped onto the hood of the car and started beating the car with his fists. He jumped on top of the car, pounded several dents into the top of the car, and broke the windshield. Fortunately, my daughter kept a cool head and got us out of there.

  I went back after that, but not for long. The abuse went on. I was never abused physically, but in every other sense of the word, I was abused badly.

  Apparently, despite what they tell you in Al-Anon, he knew just what he was doing. He wanted me to unload the kids and come back so that I could devote myself to enabling him full-time. After getting away and getting a better perspective, I realized that it was better to stay away. After I began to ridicule his professions of "love," he stopped trying to get me back. I remain his friend, but from a couple of thousand miles away, which makes it much easier.

  The only way one can remain in an alcoholic relationship is to have an unlimited tolerance for abuse. My father was an alcoholic, too, but my mom had a supportive and loving family which gave her strength to tolerate it and also a place to get away for a while if necessary.

  However, having a tolerance for abuse to yourself is one thing. No one should have a tolerance of an abusive environment for a child to grow up in. Believe me, I know.

  I spoke to my minister, and he supported my decision to leave. He said that it would be ridiculous to live a masquerade "for the sake of the institution of marriage." Bless him.

  Regards,
  Mum

  Seize the day, and put the least possible trust in tomorrow. - Horace

  I have learned to live each day as it comes and not to borrow trouble by dreading tomorrow. - Dorothy Dix
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  Request for next few days

  by joelbear in

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  hey my friends,.

  throw me some positive thoughts over the next few days.. my job worries are back and my brother called yesterday to say my mother is going downhill more quickly than i imagined.. mitch and i are off to visit her and dad tomorrow.. i had a terrible panic attack last night.

  mitch got a xanax in me in the nick of time and i calmed down and went to sleep.. hope everyone is having a good holiday season.

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  Mum

  Take a deeeeep breath. Let your body relax. Take one step at a time. We are here for you.

  Seize the day, and put the least possible trust in tomorrow. - Horace

  I have learned to live each day as it comes and not to borrow trouble by dreading tomorrow. - Dorothy Dix
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  Purpose of life

  by ItsJustMe in

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  the ageold question that i'm sure we have all given some degree of thought to...what is the purpose of life?

  anyone have a theory/opinion they would like to share?.

  my personal opinion on this is not solid enough yet to be considered a belief.

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  Mum

  I agree that happiness is a key purpose of life. I drew the same conclusion after leaving the WT and much personal examination and struggling.

  Beyond that, the purpose is what you make it. In the western countries where we have a greater range of choice as to how to live, we can live purposeful lives or empty, meaningless lives.

  Seize the day, and put the least possible trust in tomorrow. - Horace

  I have learned to live each day as it comes and not to borrow trouble by dreading tomorrow. - Dorothy Dix
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  Hypocrisy in Bethal V's the publishers

  by sleepy in

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  lets see what is the difference between a bethalite and a publisher?.

  when working in bethal you are considered to be a pioneer.. that means in bethal you can do carpentry , cleaning , cooking , painting ,washing clothes , ironing sorting out bills and accounts and many other jobs and be considered a pioneer and spiritualy strong.. you can even miss meetings do no ministry in the week and still be spiritualy strong.. if extra work is needed to be done you can miss meetings to do it and still be considered a pioneer and spiritually strong.. if you are a publisher and spend all week doing house work , decorating your house sorting bills out a miss a meeting or don't go on the ministry you are spiritually weak.. the elders will be concerned at your lack of spiritual goals and you may become an iregular publisher or even inactive.. of course the publisher has the advantage of having to do all his/her menial tasks after working full time to pay the bills.. i wish i could be spiritually strong like those bethalites.. of course as a publisher if i had a house kept as well as bethal employing all those extra workers to do so i would be considered materialistic, but the governing body can do that and still be considered spritualy strong.. of course there are no class distinctions with jehovahs witnesses all are equal just some more than others.

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  Mum

  Thanks for that post, sleepy. I did not know about the way time was counted for Bethelites. So if one is cleaning house and engaging in normal daily activities for the sake of the GB, they are "pioneers," but if one does the same activity on behalf of one's children and family, it could be an indication of "spiritual weakness!"

  What a crock!

  Seize the day, and put the least possible trust in tomorrow. - Horace

  I have learned to live each day as it comes and not to borrow trouble by dreading tomorrow. - Dorothy Dix
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  Yet Another New Member

  by BadAssociation in

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  i am yet another new member to the group because, surprise surprise, being a jw makes me miserable.

  i have been raised in the "truth" and have been hating it for a very long time.

  the congregation that i attend is a snake pit, full of judgemental, brain-washed witnesses who will report your every move.

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  Welcome! Isn't it great when you wake up and realize that the reason for your feeling of malaise cannot be cured by more field service, more study, better meeting attendance and preparation, but by looking within yourself and figuring out what you know is right for you?

  Life is good.

  Seize the day, and put the least possible trust in tomorrow. - Horace

  I have learned to live each day as it comes and not to borrow trouble by dreading tomorrow. - Dorothy Dix
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  What will happen to the children?

  by YoYoMama in

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  check out this news story: http://web.star-telegram.com/content/fortworth/2001/12/21/foreign/fw030707-1221-xa036-terror.htm.

  many question jehovah on what will happen with the children during armageddon.

  i don't know that answer entirely so i'll wait and see what happens.

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  Mum

  Fred, I don't know why children need "Jehovah's mercy." Why would you be asking for mercy when you have done nothing wrong? Why would Jehovah (or anyone else) feel the need to extend mercy to an innocent person?

  Seize the day, and put the least possible trust in tomorrow. - Horace

  I have learned to live each day as it comes and not to borrow trouble by dreading tomorrow. - Dorothy Dix
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  At Which Table Are You Feeding?

  by YoYoMama in

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  at which table are you feeding?.

  you cannot be partaking of the table of jehovah and the table of demons.1 corinthians 10:21.. these inspired words of the apostle paul show that two figurative tables are set before mankind.

  each table is identified by the kind of symbolic food placed upon it, and all of us are eating at one or the other.

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  Mum

  Like Lilacs, I dine at the kitchen table unless I go to a fine restaurant or a friend's home. Whether supernatural beings are present is of no concern, as they don't seem to eat much.

  Seize the day, and put the least possible trust in tomorrow. - Horace

  I have learned to live each day as it comes and not to borrow trouble by dreading tomorrow. - Dorothy Dix