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  Moving out, away and starting a new post JW life

  by OneDayillBeFree in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  recently at my last meeting, an older brother "in good standing" got disfellowshipped.. sitting only two seats away from him, i saw as he burst into tears as lifelong friends and family began their shunning and immediate gossip in the form of whispers came up from above the brothers and sisters in the kingdom hall.

  i felt like giving him a hug and telling him that it was going to be okay and that whatever the reason for his disfellowshipment was, it didnt matter and that god still loved him but before i could muscle up enough courage to do so, he stood up in tears and left.. i shed a few silent tears for him.

  i didn't see anyone else do the same.. it was at that moment that i realized without a doubt that living this way is just not worth it at all.. so i've thought about it long and hard and now i just want to move far away and just start new again.

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  Mum

  Many years ago, I moved from the east to the west, over 2,000 miles. I had a relative in the place I was going to, so I had a support system. I had a job in two days. No JW's knew me there. One day as I was walking home from work, I realized that I was on my way home to relax, read, enjoy my time, with no pressure to do anything I did not want to do. The longer I was away, the more I enjoyed it.

  Don't get me wrong: it was not all roses. There were plenty of thorns. Nevertheless, I could decide for myself how to handle obstacles and did not have to worry about "stumbling" anyone or whether anyone would approve or disapprove.

  That was about 35 years ago, and I know my life has been infinitely better than it would have been if I had remained a dub drudge.
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  Do You Believe Gods name is Jehovah and why?

  by sarahsmile in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  many internet sites claiming that god's names is jehovah.. do you believe it is the name of god?.

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  Mum

  To give something a name diminishes it. I love the Tao te-Ching, which starts out like this:

  The name that can be named is not the eternal name

  The nameless is the origin of heaven and earth
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  New Light its an illusion...

  by new hope and happiness in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  maybe the people who discover new light are just having fun?

  they sit there in brooklyn and say too each other " overlapping generation yea thats hilarious".

  well if thats the case i hope people are wakeing up to the joke.. g.b reply " but you have to understand our audience, you see its made up of many people who want to hear our brand of comedy and not think about anything".

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  Mum

  They are like French nobles in the salon sharing the verse they've written. They have nothing else to do, so they sit around making up fanciful stories and eschewing reality.
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  Allow Me My Dreams

  by compound complex in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  today, today, as with all those new days before, .

  i awoke from the sweet dreams of nocturnal .

  flights of fancy, and that they should take .

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  Mum

  CoCo ne tombe pas. Il est averti, c'est tout. Il doit poursuivre son reve.
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  Why elders' wives are such gossipers...

  by Calebs Airplane in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i have a theory as to why elders' wives gossip so much.

  i believe a big part of it has to do with the conversation running dry (between themselves and their elder husbands) after so many years of marriage.

  since they don't get to spend too much "quality time" together (because of the elder husband's hamster wheel schedule), when they do have some intimate time alone, the elder's wives will invaribly attempt to engage their husbands in any kind of interchange.

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  Mum

  There was always some very dramatic event in my last congregation. It would have been hard to ignore them all and just go on as if everything was all sweetness and light, as we were supposed to. These are all true, but you guys probably won't be shocked. After all, you've been dubs, too.

  An elder's son fell in love with the wife who was half of a couple who just moved to our congregation. Eventually, she divorced her new husband and married the elder's son.

  At an assembly at a school, a couple of adolescents went into a closet and closed the door, locking themselves in. I think a school official had to be called to find a solution and set them free.

  A sister's (unbelieving) husband had an affair with her (fleshly and "spiritual") sister while his wife was in the hospital having a baby.

  The wife of a "Jonadab" left him because, allegedly, he wouldn't buy furniture and other household necessities.

  A brother was asked by a householder if he would like something to drink. He asked for a beer.

  A family who was not approved for baptism because, apparently, they could not answer the baptismal questions, moved to another state and notified the congregation that they had been baptized in a regular church.

  A congregation couple's pregnant non-JW daughter who had been living in another state moved back in with her parents. A pioneer brother fell in love with her and married her.

  I could go on, but you get the picture.
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  JW Grammar is...

  by jw07 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  *we are all from different cultural and educational backgrounds, we all experience different circumstances in life, and i don't mean to offend anyone on this forum in any way.*.

  with that said here are my observations, and i want to know what you have observed.. in my experience i have noticed a trend: zealous witnessestend to exhibit the worst grammar when compared to non-witnesses!.

  i want you to think back, or check it out for yourself if you haven't noticed it.. on social networks: compare comments on anything by jws (especially the uber-zealous ones) with those of your atheist or other religiously affiliated friends.

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  Mum

  When I was in high school, I was one of the top English students. I started attending the KH in my sophomore year. The congregtion I attended was comprised of much better educated people than average dubs. It was in the most exclusive part of town. I did not live in that part of town, but the people who studied with me did. I never found any grammatical or spelling errors in any Watchtower literature, but it was written on about a fifth-grade level. Even in that congregation there were some who could use the English language about as well as an elementary school pupil.

  When I moved to other locations, the language skills of the dubs were, overall, much worse. It was obvious that some of the men could not really understand the talk outlines and would interpret them in strange ways. The readers at the Watchtower study would mispronounce common words. The elder that I married was semi-literate at best, but still felt he was given to me by Jehovah to explain the world and everything else to me.

  To be fair, I have met a lot of non-JW's who were just as handicapped with language skills. I have worked with many people and attended college classes with many people who did not understand when to use an apostrophe, or understand what a run-on sentence or a fragment was.

  Surely it's easier to deceive people who don't understand the nuances of language, so JW's have an advantage with such people and draw them in.
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  Narcissistic personality disorder

  by Xanthippe in

  1. social
  2. humour

  so i was having lunch with my inlaws and my fil was sounding off as usual about the economy, scottish devolution, the shortcomings of county councils etc etc.

  he said to me well don't you think that (whatever it was) would be a better way of doing things ( in other words - his way ) myself, being extremely relaxed - in vino veritas - said no i think it's narcissistic personality disorder.. note to self really shouldn't drink so much when talking to fil, but it is my birthday.. he said what's narcissistic personality disorder.

  so i explained to him about narcissus in greek mythology, the youth who looked into a pool, saw his own reflection and fell in love with himself.

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  Narcissists are suave. A few years ago I was working with a narcissist who had to teach me my job. Her instructions changed from day to day, and she yelled about everything I did (except some of the things she was not capable of understanding or did not have the patience to deal with). For example, my inbox was not placed where she thought it should be, I made the print too large on labels, the word processor put codes that she did not understand in documents I prepared. I ended up in therapy. Everyone at work knew how she was, so I was not without support.

  I had never heard of NPD at that time. A therapist told me that's what it sounded like when I described behaviors. Then I looked it up online and found a list of traits of narcissists. I realized that my dad was a narcissist as well. The therapist told me that having a narcissist in my immediate family turned off my radar, that most people would have run away immediately, but the sirens did not go off in my head. I'm always on guard now, especially when someone is too glib and charming.

  I loved your MIL's comment about the daffodil!

  Happy Birthday!
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  Atheists / Agnostics: do any of you still enjoy going to church/mosque/synagogue?

  by free @ last in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'm in awe of sacred spaces.

  love stained glass rose windows and gothic architecture.

  i like coral music (who knew).

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  Mum

  I do enjoy high church Episcopal services. Episcopal churches are some of the oldest and most beautiful in many cities and towns in the U.S. I have never attended a Jewish service, but would like to.

  I would also like to attend a Buddhist service. My daughter went to a Buddhist service once, and when she came back home she said the priest there behaved like an evangelical preacher, so I don't think she'll be going back. I'm sure not all Buddhists religious leaders are like that. Buddhists seem more open-minded than other religious adherents, so that appeals to me.

  I like church music. It's stirring and inspirational. My childhood was full of Southern gospel, and I thoroughly enjoy it to this day.
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  If money were no object where would you live?

  by usualusername in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my money is on tuscany, italy at the moment..

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  Mum

  Islands make me claustrophobic. I might live in Paris. I probably would not stay in one place, not that I think about it.
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  When was the last time a member of the Governing Body had a Q&A session with rank and file?

  by usualusername in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  today the pope gave some impromptu teacdhing sessions and had that followed by a q & a session which got me thinking.... when was the last time a member of the governing body had a q&a session with rank and file?.

  uun.

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  Mum

  That's like asking, "When was the last time a movie star invited you to dinner?" Forget about it!