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  What should I say?

  by santacruzchick in

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  to refresh your memories, i was raised as a jw, as of the last few yrs my mom has been inactive (she's the only jw in the family).

  i was never baptized talking and talking and talking, i felt insulted because i already knew everything we were going over.

  however....winter break is begins next week, so i'm going home for about a month.

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  mustang

  Another facet of the REAL TRUTH is that you are studying and are a full time college student. You have to maintain CONTROL of your time for your own purposes.

  You have taken a class in time management and have discovered that the methods of study used by JWs are grossly inefficient. ()

  This is not as far-fetched as it would seem. We have heard of the "engineered" busy-work methods that the WTS uses to occupy the time of the JW drones.

  Also, a few years ago, an old acquaintance/Bible Study of mine tracked me down. He had gone totally "JW saved" and was suffering from terminal zealous-itis!!!! He sent me a memorial invitation and a copy of the latest Daniel book. When I opened the Daniel book, there was a SCHEDULE OF THE TUESDAY NIGHT BOOK STUDY!!!

  I was appalled: 6 months plus for this short form, piss-ant version of the 60's original "Your Will Be Done" book. I got out a copy of the YW(?) original Daniel book and spent the next two nights reading, skimming and comparing the two. I whipped that 6 months of study into 2 nights. I was really and seriously after finding out the differences and looking for "new light". ( )

  Well, I found what I was looking for.

  OK, you could tell this person what you have learned about study methods. If she wants a study, it will be done on your terms and you will be the conductor. I'm sure that this will go over like a lead balloon. ( )

  Best wishes,

  Mustang

  Edited by - mustang on 2 December 2002 2:38:50
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  Reestablishing family ties with non-Witnesses

  by cyberguy in

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  as most of you folks know, non-witness family members are treated almost the same way as jw's treat disfellowshipped people.

  after leaving the borg, fully or partially, has anyone had good results in reestablishing relationships with non-witnesses family relatives?

  i've got over a dozen cousins that i'd like to have a relationship with once again, but i'm not sure the best way to break-the-ice.

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  mustang

  After my mother's funeral, my brother and I agreed that there was more genuine love shown by our "pagan" cousins than the JW side of the family. It was no problem at all re-"relating" to them.

  Mustang
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  Was I a coward?

  by DanTheMan in

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  right before i disassociated myself last march, i sent an email to quite a number of jw's that contained only a link to an "apostate" website that had been instrumental in my seeing the the truth about the wt.. well, nobody responded to it except for one person, a guy who i hadn't had any contact with my last year in.

  he started out with "yikes, do you know i'm disfellowshipped?

  " he then went on for several paragraphs defending the org, how loving the brothers were when they disfellowshipped him .

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  mustang

  First, I have to puke over: "how loving the brothers were when they disfellowshipped him..."

  Then I have to say that I agree with the other posters. It has been my experience that JWs will do "hit-and-run" tactics in discussion. This includes lobbing some strong sounding but flawed arguments. This throws you off balance; before you can recover (and that may include hitting the books for research) they change the subject.

  Now, they will either rapid-fire throw in a another subject or two, or shut down. Either way, the shut-down is the end result. This is inevitable, once they have gone on the defensive.

  My experience in recent times has been restricted to debate with a close relative and rare encounters "at the door". The whole mess with the relative got more physical (demands & "do more") than scriptural.

  So, I have confined these activities beating them to the punch: shutting down. (I also got into legal tactics with the JW relative who crossed the criminal line.)

  It does not seem that their preaching efforts bring anything real. Conversely, a preaching directed at them is usually deflected by their built-in "shield mechanism".

  In the long run, its best to study them and their flaws from a distance. In that way you can be prepared for the occasional genuine interaction when a JWs eyes open.

  NO, you werent a coward. You did quite well, all considered.

  Mustang
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  Was I a coward?

  by DanTheMan in

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  right before i disassociated myself last march, i sent an email to quite a number of jw's that contained only a link to an "apostate" website that had been instrumental in my seeing the the truth about the wt.. well, nobody responded to it except for one person, a guy who i hadn't had any contact with my last year in.

  he started out with "yikes, do you know i'm disfellowshipped?

  " he then went on for several paragraphs defending the org, how loving the brothers were when they disfellowshipped him .

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  mustang

  First, I have to puke over: "how loving the brothers were when they disfellowshipped him..."

  Then I have to say that I agree with the other posters. It has been my experience that JWs will do "hit-and-run" tactics in discussion. This includes lobbing some strong sounding but flawed arguments. This throws you off balance; before you can recover (and that may include hitting the books for research) they change the subject.

  Now, they will either rapid-fire throw in a another subject or two, or shut down. Either way, the shut-down is the end result. This is inevitable, once they have gone on the defensive.

  My experience in recent times has been restricted to debate with a close relative and rare encounters "at the door". The whole mess with the relative got more physical (demands & "do more") than scriptural.

  So, I have confined these activities beating them to the punch: shutting down. (I also got into legal tactics with the JW relative who crossed the criminal line.)

  It does not seem that their preaching efforts bring anything real. Conversely, a preaching directed at them is usually deflected by their built-in "shield mechanism".

  In the long run, its best to study them and their flaws from a distance. In that way you can be prepared for the occasional genuine interaction when a JWs eyes open.

  NO, you werent a coward. You did quite well, all considered.

  Mustang
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  I'm depressed.

  by Surreptitious in

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  saw someone mention "nebbs old thread".

  of course i was intrigued.

  of course i poked around and found it.. day late and a dollar short.

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  mustang

  Who was that masked stranger???

  Mustang
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  How do I reach my sister?

  by Mackin in

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  i come for your opinion.. heres the deal.

  my sister has just completed her thesis and received her doctorate.

  the examiners showered her with praise for her outstanding work.

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  mustang

  Mack,

  You didn't say what her field of endeavor is; but it doesn't matter. She will need to discuss those things with SOMEBODY. It is likely that those who can converse intelligently with her are NOT JW's. Encourage THAT. Whoever she deals with in external endeavors may displace the JW support group.

  Mustang

  Edited by - mustang on 29 November 2002 4:6:20
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  The Practice - child molester "not guilty&...

  by jack2 in

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  did anyone else see last night's airing of the practice?

  the firm defended a guy accused of repeated molesting a teen-age boy.

  the guy even admitted to his lawyers that he did it.

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  mustang

  Just for the record, the Prosecution is allowed to use Police tricks, chicanery and outright lies "to further a conviction". Was this meant to even the score? Likely not, but there it is for the nobility of the Defense's opposition.

  Mustang
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  Turkey!!!

  by LuckyLucy in

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  or ham for thanksgiving or something else?

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  mustang

  Made a Turkey, a Ham AND a Duck one year!!!! (Duck is a traditional Chinese thing, so we added it to Thanks-Turkey Day ). The secret to the duck prep is to have a deep dish tray with a GRATE to keep the duck about 2 inches off the bottom. They are really good if you can keep them from getting an "oil change"!!! I'm too "chicken" to try a Goose!!!

  Mustang

  Edited by - mustang on 7 November 2002 4:47:28

  Edited by - mustang on 7 November 2002 4:48:55
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  watchtower: Pimping you out to the world!

  by CornerStone in

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  just venting before i go to work.

  i was thinking how watchtower has to be one of the biggest pimps of peoples minds and bodies in the world.

  #1 they have their people go out and "perform" or "do tricks" with peoples minds and emotions.. #2 they have their people go out and bring in the "masters belongings", warm bodies, their money and a lifetimes servitude, with watchtower the "master"!

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  mustang

  Kelsey,

  I remember Sunday morning Field Service and occasionally my Dad encountered someone with the TV blasting away an Armstrong sermon!!! Those were interesting calls.

  Mustang
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  Question About Rand Cam Cie and the WTS

  by Luthien39 in

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  dear friends

  i live in .

  after 30 years service i left the organization a few months ago.

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  mustang

  All in due time, Impatience. Some of the old web posts are hard to find. Have you got broken fingers?

  The worthless company was that 2 years ago, when all that was posted. I've waited 30 years to see these engines be appreciated, so you can wait too.

  Mustang