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WHAT`s YOUR FAVORITE BEER!

by OUTLAW in

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i like molson canadian,except when i`m out of the country.then i only drink imported beer...molson canadian.

Help!! I am extremely confused.

by Leander in

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i'm at a definite crossroad in my life right now and i don't know which direction to turn.. for my entire life i've been taught to believe in one thing but now i'm seeing things that i never knew where there before.

i find it very disturbing that there has been so many predictions the wts has made in the past that failed to come true.

also the bouncing back and forth on certain doctrines make me question my beliefs.. but on the other hand i can't ignore things like the fact the organization is growing while other religions are on the decline.

NameWithheld

More typical blah blah blah blather from You Dont Know Shit.

Here's the long and short of it, according to Booby wack job you know, the org has 'run ahead' of itself all those times in the past when they got things wrong. They were trying to interpret prophesy before 'it was time for god to reveal it' or some such bunk.

So I submit then that until god himself comes down and says "OK boys, you've finally got it right" I am going to assume that the wackos in Crooklyn are STILL just doing WAGs - Wild Ass Guesses. Why would what they are teaching as 'truth' right now be any different that that old 'truth' from a few years ago. We KNOW that today's 'truth' is tomorrow's 'old light'.

Nice try Booby, but you're still a wack job. O, by the way, I haven't seen the 'present finacial system' crash yet ... still waiting. The gal's at GC.net hope it's soon, they want to get busy taking over that evil apostates house - just as soon as the 6 billion rotting corpses are cleaned up ...

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we got problems

by teejay in

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you probably heard about the guy breaking into the cockpit of a flight earlier this week.

edward coburn was charged tuesday with interfering with a flight crew, a federal felony.

he is being held without bond.. even with all the preparations the crew had made in advance, the situation became critical within a split second, according to dean weber, the pilot of the airliner.

NameWithheld

More panic... <sigh> the reason this one man was not ripped a new one by every passenger on board is they were aware off his mental problems, just like the crew (by that time). So there was no real threat. Trust me, someone tries a 'real' hijacking, and there will be hell to pay. It's not going to be easy to rip off a plane anymore.

BTW, I've flown, and will continue to do so. People need to quit living in fear all the time and get on with it ... if something happens, deal with it, but until then don't live consumed in fear, that's no good...

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Help!! I am extremely confused.

by Leander in

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i'm at a definite crossroad in my life right now and i don't know which direction to turn.. for my entire life i've been taught to believe in one thing but now i'm seeing things that i never knew where there before.

i find it very disturbing that there has been so many predictions the wts has made in the past that failed to come true.

also the bouncing back and forth on certain doctrines make me question my beliefs.. but on the other hand i can't ignore things like the fact the organization is growing while other religions are on the decline.

NameWithheld

This is not to say that I doubt any of the replies that were made here but why do the majority of the people who are associated with JW's have such a hard time shaking the feeling that they are doing something wrong by leaving the organization?

Because when you've been brainwashed you are indoctrinated to feel that fear whenever you step outside the boundries the brainwasher sets for you. It's classic cult-manipulation ... why do you think SO many stay involved when they can see thru the total BS that occurs in the JW org? It's out of fear. It's the age old "But what if they're right?" question that keeps so many in. It is VERY hard to break free, and no matter what it takes time, but ask yourself, why would god give you free will to think for yourself, then demand you belong to an org that demanded you DO NOT THINK AT ALL? That makes no sense. It is up to each human to forge their own path through life, not to be led about by the nose by a group of men who are OBVIOUSLY concerned for no one but themselves.

Why would god make belonging to the JW org a requirement for life and then allow the 'one true org' to be SO corrupt, so un-loving, so wishy-washy? And think about this, JWs is YOUR life, it's huge to you, but trust me, 99% of the world has NO idea what JWs are about, don't care, and never will know. You think that god would be doing such a bad job of getting the word out to people that they 'must join or die' if he was using JWs?

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Where does the WBTS stand on Anti Depressants?

by LizardSnot in

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first, some background info:.

my mother is a 4 meeting a week, no field service, 26 year veteran .

of the jehovah's witness who just moved in.

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I just have to pop in and say that from my personal experiance there were MANY JW's I know/knew who suffered depression and many who were permanent users of anti-depressants. I won't generalize to say most/all JWs were, but I knew of so many, and there are those who are taking them who don't make that known publicly (out of shame?).

Not that I have a problem with anti-depressants, but from watching my wife fight thru those drugs it's very clear to me doctors are basically playing a guessing game with those drugs, as in "Try this for 3 months and see how you react". And talking to others they go thru the same med shuffle, trying to find a drug that helps more than it hurts.

Funny thing is, once we left the JW org, my wife's health problems disappeared .... hmmmm. Wonder if you can get disability benefits for being a JW?

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Questions concerning world events!

by Lollylou in

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as someone who was once associated with the wt (over 30 years) i have to say i am in a quandary.

with world events shaping up as they are i keep reflecting on many things i learned as a jw and some of the pieces fit together.

however, the many things i have learned about the organization upon chosing to leave have me stumped.. how can an organization put out teachings about the "scarlet colored wild beast", apply it to the un and yet be a ngo of that organization?.

NameWithheld

Yea, I have to echo the fact that if you still beleive that the JWs are the 'only ones' who are 'close to the truth' then you have yet to do enough of YOUR OWN research on the matter. Start from ground zero and don't go into the search with pre-conceived (JW) ideas. It's very hard to do, but a veil will be lifted from your mind ...

Start with this fact: Humans are humans no matter what org they belong to/profess beleif in. There are those that do good with their lives, there are those that are 'neutral' in as much as they seem to just try and live their own lives (albeit somewhat selfishly), and there are those that seem to be truely evil. That remains true no matter the org. The JWs are no different. There are kind hearted ones in it, and there are those that take advatage of others in it.

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If you were convincing a JW to leave...

by Leander in

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what would you say and what would you show them to prove the wts has misled many?.

also if that person asked if the wts had violated any scriptural prinicples how would you respond?

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Joel you're on to something there, since the typical JW response to having their eyes open to the reality of the F&DS/org is "But where are we to go, they are the closest to the truth". And how do you fight that powerful tool? The only way is to help them realize the world isn't as black and white as they have been taught. And that good is everywhere, just like 'bad' is everywhere...

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MAJOR UN/WTS/NGO NEWS - WTS IS GONE

by hawkaw in

as of 11:45 this morning (i had a telphone call this morning with the refernce department person named holly at 212-963-7234), i can tell you that the watchtower has disassociated itself from the united nations dpi!!!!!!.

the dpi is now taking them off the list.

the dpi requested the list removal to be done this morning!!!!!.

NameWithheld

Yea, I figured the movie 'trace' crap was just that. I mean caller id works instantly, and you don't think the phone co's tracing abilites are at least that good. Of course they are. But with these guys who knows, all it takes is a good little dub who works at the local phone co and blamo - free traces.

/of the paranoid class

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MAJOR UN/WTS/NGO NEWS - WTS IS GONE

by hawkaw in

as of 11:45 this morning (i had a telphone call this morning with the refernce department person named holly at 212-963-7234), i can tell you that the watchtower has disassociated itself from the united nations dpi!!!!!!.

the dpi is now taking them off the list.

the dpi requested the list removal to be done this morning!!!!!.

NameWithheld

Yes, Leander that would be interesting.

Re my call, they are giving NO information unless they determine it would 'not be used in a damaging' manner. Since I wouldn't give a name/phone # they won't speak about it. Typical. He won't even deal with the 'facts' of the matter because those 'facts' can be interprated badly if one is critical of the WTBTS. Well, duh. Of course they can. I bet dude I was talking to is reading this forum RIGHT NOW. Hi dude. WTBTS caught with it's pants down and it's dong stuck in the wild beast - good thing for you the average JW is BRAIN DEAD.

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MAJOR UN/WTS/NGO NEWS - WTS IS GONE

by hawkaw in

as of 11:45 this morning (i had a telphone call this morning with the refernce department person named holly at 212-963-7234), i can tell you that the watchtower has disassociated itself from the united nations dpi!!!!!!.

the dpi is now taking them off the list.

the dpi requested the list removal to be done this morning!!!!!.

NameWithheld

Wonder if they have phone tracing equip - bet they do....!!