Went to link but can't find the program. Is it over? Get something about Saudi Arabia. Am I doing something wrong?
Nanoprobe
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radio five discussion on panorama
by spider in.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/fivelive/ .
check out this live radio link now
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Transcript of the UK letter
by dmouse ini went to the meeting this morning and taped the reading of the letter, and transcribed it when i got home.
there are a few alterations to the u.s. letter posted by silent lambs.
i have highlighted these changes.. .
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Nanoprobe
Does the Society realize that their letter is no longer coherent?
They have totally confused the letter with the addition of:
Our position is that the secular authorities deal with crime while elders deal with sin.
Why are the elders investigating at all? So do the elders still determine whether the action is a sin or a crime?
If there are not two witnesses is it not a crime and therefore not necessary to involve the secular authorities?
For this letter to be coherent this paragraph below must be removed.
We expect the elders to investigate every allegation of child abuse. Even one abused child is one too many. However, in evaluating the evidence, they must bear in mind the Bible's clear direction: "No single witness should rise up against a man respecting any error or any sin .... At the mouth of two witnesses or at the mouth of three witnesses the matter should stand good." (Deuteronomy 19:15) Later, this requirement to consider testimony of two or three witnesses was confirmed by Jesus. (Matthew 18:16) Thus, although they investigate every allegation, the elders in not authorized by the Scriptures to take congregational action unless there is a confession or there are two credible witnesses, However , if two persons are witnesses to separate incidents of the same kind of wrongdoing, their testimony can be deemed sufficient to take action.--l Timothy 5:19, 24, 25.
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My wonderful mother/2
by rnovello ini am completely overwhelmed by the caring that has gone on here in my situation.
both were babtized jws.
for over 30 years.
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rnovello
What a wonderful person you must be! It takes a very strong and caring person to care for a terminally ill family member. For most people it's easier just to try to avoid the situation all together. Undoubtly it was a difficult situation for you, but think what your being there must have meant to your sister and mother. They did not die alone but they faced that terrifying experience in your care even in your arms. You could not change the outcome but you could give your love and your strengh.
Please think of how important you are and how much you have handled this far.
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My wonderful mother
by rnovello intoday is the day my mother was born.
she passed away 1 year and 6 days ago.
i guess i need some friends.
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Finding out your religion is a "crock" is hard, too. It's almost like another death or at least a divorce. It is a lot to go thru at once.
Maybe it would make you feel better to talk about your mother and sister, they must have been very special. Why don't you tell us about them?
Edited by - nanoprobe on 9 July 2002 14:0:14
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SUICIDE IN KH PARKING LOT
by Sabine inlast saturday, a former ministerial servant and pioneer committed suicide in the woodinville washington kingdom hall parking lot.
he was disfellowshipped several years ago, and according to the old sister that related the story to me today, he was depressed because no one would talk to him.
i don't know how i kept calm when she explained to me that "we couldn't talk to him...he was disfellowshipped.".
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This suicide and Sabine's daughter's death are heartbreaking events.
I wish a light could be shined on the Organizations involvement in these deaths. Maybe the families would not want to speak to the press, but at least they should have the option of doing so. I sent a brief email to the Woodinville Weekly inquiring about the possibility of doing a story. I'm sure it is a small newspaper. Here are a list of others.
Edited by - nanoprobe on 23 June 2002 12:26:8
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OUCH ! Wall Street Journal SPITS out the JWs!!
by deddaisy ini saw this in the wall street journal, friday, june 21, 2002, page w15...it's a good article, unfortunately, i had to type it because i can't find the article on-line.....so forgive the typo's.... .
houses of worship / by jason l. riley .
door-to -door, disturbingly .
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Nanoprobe
listening to and obeying the elders is definitely the "arrangement" I'm rather curious about the "whether Anointed or not" statement, is this preparing us for the day when there are no more anointed?
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Writing Committee Meeting:
Bro John: So Brother Bob, you have had the job of visiting the silentlambs and JWD websites, what is the consensus?
Bro Bob: Yes, Brother John, I have been studying the postings of those apostates. It does appear that a "few" think the elders have no compassion and dont protect the children.
Bro John: Brother Bob, how can that be? Didnt Brother JR call the victims, Lapsed Witnesses that are Open Prey for exploiters? I thought that was extremely sympathetic. I guess well never figure out those apostates. so what article we should write?
Bro Bob; First of all lets tell them that the elders are imperfect. In Paragraph 2 write : They could not read the hearts of their fellow men. Now we dont want the publishers to think about this thought too long or they might wonder how elders are able to disfellowhsip people.
Bro John: Well lets move along then. And lets throw in a scripture about children, okay , You should hear the little one as same as a great one.
Bro Bob ; Enough nicey, nice Now its time to bring out the Korah story, that worked pretty good at last years assembly. Everyone will know we mean Bill Bowen and his followers. Next s care the publishers with "Open rebellion" and "Jehovah must intervene" and "Taking side of the conspirators".
Bro John: Finish up with the elders again. These men deserve our respect and wholehearted support, whether they are anointed or not. Paragraph#18 Talk about all the good things they do..Think any publisher will notice the elders dont actually do much of this stuff except the meetings?
Bro Bob; Nah, those publishers dont notice a thing. Now finish up with the compassion topic. Older men are not perfect. Paragraph#21 With this in mind they constantly strive to cultivate such godly qualities as love, compassion, and patience.
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German TV Magazine Covers JW Child Abus
by GermanXJW inabout 45min ago - on short notice -, german tv magazine kontraste ( http://www.kontraste.de) broadcasted a very well researched report on child abuse within the jw community.
the report was only 10min long, but it was german prime time - the very first topic after the most watched daily news magazine.
kontraste (contrasts) is very reputable tv magazine.. two victims were interviewed and a jw spokesman.
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Nanoprobe
I also wanted to thank you for the translation, it is a great article. Thank you for posting it!
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Grand Jury considers Criminal Charges for Cardinal
by Nanoprobe inedited by - nanoprobe on 19 june 2002 18:22:48.
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Edited by - nanoprobe on 19 June 2002 18:22:48