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  Friends... life after JW

  by ekruks in

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  have awakened to what fooo-king sh1t (sorry!

  ) i've been living in these last years.... well since i was born.... i am left if quite a weird state.

  i have some weird friends.... jws.... i used to think they were normal.

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  i_drank_the_wine

  Quite the tail you have there. You've certainly been through a lot of mental anguish, stress, and being made to feel worthless. I rode the fence for years, from my teens to my late 20's. Let me tell you, in the end all you wind up with is a really sore ass for riding the fence so long. In my opinion it's not worth it. Make the leap, draw the line, or just fade.

  You can't cram your brain into that tiny little box of JW insanity anymore. Get free.

  Maybe look for other ex-JW's within driving distance on some of the more popular JW message boards and meet up. Go back to school, but talk to the other people like a normal person would. Take up a hobby/sport of some sort that involves other people. Date regular real "worldly" girls - trust me, once you've been a JW that's only boned your wife, being able to sleep with girls within a couple dates is really awesome lol. And no guilt or lightning bolts from Jee-hovah either!

  I have a great GF at the moment, but am still struggling with the friends thing a lot. Currently working on 2 approaches though. I don't think I'll ever feel or act normal after what I've lived like/been through, but bullshit goes a long way towards filling in the cracks when it comes to socializing and being human.
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  Telling family / friends about researching JW religion

  by dozy in

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  when a jw husband of a friend of mine found out that she had been researching online about jehovah's witnesses , he described it as a "breach of trust" and a legitimate reason to break up the marriage (or at least separate , citing the wtbts "spiritual danger clause").. thankfully my own wife has been more understanding but is this kind of reaction common?

  and is it in some way justified on the basis that snooping around online , talking to others on messageboards , not from day one telling one's mate etc is perhaps dishonest?

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  i_drank_the_wine

  Sadly I do think that this is a common reaction. The second I started fading, my JW wife at the time started giving me hell every moment we were together. She eventually moved out on me, got me DF'd for drinking beer and watching regular R rated movies in the privacy of my own home by repeatedly calling the elders on me, and wanted (and got) a divorce. Funny how they say all sorts of shit about honoring your marriage vow to Jehovah, but as soon as they get the idea that you're not down for slaving to fake-old-Yahweh-in-the-sky anymore then they can violate all their own religion's standards and get divorced while having the elders stand behind them. Granted this scenario that happened to me can work either way, male/female roles reversed.
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  What Turns The Average "Worldly" Person Away From The Witnesses?

  by minimus in

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  is it their door-to-door incessant preaching?

  is it their view on blood?

  is it that the religion itself is simply often misunderstood?.

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  i_drank_the_wine

  Because regular worldly people, by and large, don't know the JW specific beliefs on things that we would consider hot topics. They're just annoying weird religious people with strange beliefs is all they know, by and large. John Doe doesn't know about 607, blood, UN, molestors, failed prophecies, tec.

  Just wanted to add that to my above comment.
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  What Turns The Average "Worldly" Person Away From The Witnesses?

  by minimus in

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  is it their door-to-door incessant preaching?

  is it their view on blood?

  is it that the religion itself is simply often misunderstood?.

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  i_drank_the_wine

  People are just annoyed by JW's just like they are annoyed by telemarketers and spam email. No one has any time or patience for stuff like this anymore, and the JW's are the most annoying of the aforementioned by far. Add to it that "worldly" people generally have the idea that JW's have wacked out beliefs and there ya have it.
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  The Alpha and Omega-God has no beginning and no end /as opposed to the universe having no beginning and no end ?

  by smiddy in

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  i would like some more enlightened beings than me to thrash this out.. to start the ball rolling with my small intellect.

  i was always taught from my jw days that nothing came from nothing,and i accepted that.. all of creation had a start,and reproduced itself according to it`s kind according to genesis.

  and of course we now know their are life forms that are a-sexual that reproduce.

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  i_drank_the_wine

  Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQhd05ZVYWg

  Stephen Hawking's take on the whole thing. Very interesting IMO if you have the time.
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  What IS the point?

  by Aussie Oz in

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  i was wondering the other day, what am i doing here?.

  what benefits are to come from my involvement on the forum?

  why do i keep thinking about the jws?

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  i_drank_the_wine

  Because even though most of us here aren't JW's anymore and are working on moving on with our lives, trying to make the best of our lives, etc - it will never take away the fact that a great many of us here:

  - wasted a childhood, early adulthood, and/or other significant important time in your life on a cult

  - lost our entire families for having the balls to think outside the box

  - were mistreated and/or thrown to the curb like a piece of garbage by "god's loving organization" once we stepped out of line

  - had memorable, most likely unpleasant, experiences of some sort that impacted our lives courtesy of the borganization

  I know personally, although I'm completely mentally free of their poison for years now, that it still makes me angry. It still hurts to lose a wife and a family (although in hindsight, they were shitty people) just because you don't want to devote your life to an invisible ancient Hebrew imaginary friend. Being in my early 30's, it's still fresh in my mind that just over 2 decades of my life from birth onward were a complete waste of time and arguable detrimentel to my life in many ways.

  Wasting 20+ years on a lie that your parents, other family, and other JW's burned into your head stings the nostrils. It is not something that fades quickly.
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  WHAT DOES THE WATCHTOWER Really TEACH?

  by 00DAD in

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  what does the watchtower really teach?

  i have been developing a list of wt doctrines/beliefs that are plainly in opposition to clear, simple scriptural teachings/ideas.

  these could be used to clarify important questions and address key topics for discussion.

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  i_drank_the_wine

  That's some sick crap really. If your family is JW's, and you leave the JW's, in their minds they are being commanded by god, through the WT/governing body, to hate you. That is so completely unatural of a precedent - hating your own family over opinion of god.
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  I wish I was dead ...

  by talesin in

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  not much to follow that .... day-umn, life is hard sometimes .... .

  feel free to encourage me ... i need it.. .

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  i_drank_the_wine

  Its ok man, it happens. I actually tried at one point a couple years back. Not something fun to wake up to. Don't make the same mistake, there's always gonna be something that happens that makes you glad you're alive, even if it's not as frequently as we'd like.
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  RESCUE OPERATION: What did you do to help others Wake-Up?

  by 00DAD in

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  please share anything--whatever facts, methods, ideas, etc.--that you found successful in helping other family members or friends to "wake-up" and leave jws.

  also, include anythings that you found didn't work or even backfired.

  i'm particularly interested in how you were able to reach family members that initially shunned you out of mis-guided loyalty due to wt indoctrination.

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  i_drank_the_wine

  NONE. I made the mistake of giving people a list of reasons that I do not believe the religion: 607, failed predictions, UN, blood hypocrisy, and on and on. In hindsight, I probably just made my "family" and "friends" more loyal to the cult.
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  Overlapping generation

  by mankkeli in

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  if according to the wt, overlapping generation theory is true,then someone born in 1914 could live to be 100, then overlap with another person born in 2014 who also lives to be 100,bringing us to 2114. by that time any?

  jehovah's witness will have long forgotten that once upon a time 1914 was pointed to as the start of the last days.. .

  a close insider in patterson told me john barr proposed the overlapping theory on the gb meeting.

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  i_drank_the_wine

  Eventually they'll just say that a generation to Jehovah is a very long time because for him a year is like a day, but it's still coming any second now, but still keep giving us your moneys too. Thanks, agape, Teh Guberning Body.