Posts by Dunedain

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obsession to count

by menrov in

just returned from a funeral service for the (non-jw) husband of a jw in a funeral home.

it was rather crowded.

no jw discourse.

Dunedain

@ - Halfbannana - Is that true, there were only 4 people at Rutherfords funeral?

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I could sue the WTBTS

by shattered_origins in

ever since my sister gave me an " awakening," i have been somewhat obsessed with the failings of the religion i was born into.

i am especially outraged at the article i read about how the elders are supposed to deal with accusations of sexual abuse (jwfacts.com/watchtower/paedophelia.php).

i myself suffered sexual and emotional abuse from a family "friend"/ministerial servant in a neighboring congregation.

@ - Shattered origins - I am so, so sorry that you were treated that way. Both by the horrible actions, of your abuser, and the way the "elders" handled your situation. It must have been so faith crippling for you, to think that the, supposed org that "God" was running, did NOTHING to protect you. If God WAS there, he would have protected you, before, and after, but instead MEN hurt you, and i am sorry for that.

There is probably nothing that can take that pain, and old memories, away from you. That being said, if you have the "strength", and "ability", to pursue this by SUEING the WTS, i cannot recommend enough, that you DO THIS. It WILL take courage on your part, and may be very hard, to have to re-live certain memories, but if you are willing to, then it may be a worthy cause for you.

It is easy for someone, like myself, who has not experienced personally what you went thru, to say " YEAH SUE THEM", so ONLY you can make that decision, but i am sure many of us would stand behind you.

You ARE right, the WTS DOES owe YOU, and you should "stick it to em". Besides the perhaps, monetary benefits that you could, right fully, receive, but maybe your pursuing this, could help someone else, NOT have to be abused in the future by this cult.

I do not know the specifics of what lawyers are out there that can really help you, in the specifics of your situation, but i know that there ARE lawyers that WILL help you, specifically to fight the WTS. You are not the first, you would be one of many, that are now waking up, and going after this abusive WTS, and there IS strength in numbers.

I am SURE that there are some, right here on this forum, that KNOW of the people, agencies, lawyers, and resources, that you can contact, and WILL help you. Good luck, and if it is YOUR will to do this, PLEASE do it, and ask HERE for the help, and you will be helped.

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New Watchtower Propaganda and hate speech destroying families (Feb 2016 WT)

by Daniel1555 in

the following is a paragraph from the new february study watchtower article "learn from jehovah's loyal servants.".

7 a conflict of loyalties may arise when a close relative is disfellowshipped.

for example, a sister named anne [1] received a telephone call from her disfellowshipped mother.

Dunedain

@ Beth Sarim - I have heard similar things, and i think you are right. The CRAZY thing, however though, is that those actions just further undermine the WTS as an org. They are pushing MORE and MORE out the door, and making MORE and MORE question the unloving actions.

The ones they push out, will NO longer give them money, and the ones "in", that are questioning, are at a minimum, tightening their purses.

This cult, is almost idiotic. They are complaining that they do NOT have enough qualified people, as they kick these people out the door. They are clearly having money problems, as they thro pottential "givers", out the door.

I stand behind it, and will say it again, THEY ARE IMPLODING, and ARE DESPERATE, and i LOVE it, lol.

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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

by StarTrekAngel in

i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

Dunedain

And your point is ? . . . . . . .

Ha Ha HA, just kidding, i couldnt help it, lol.

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Disfellowshipped at a funeral

by Yogapants in

recently at a funeral for an active jw, death was sudden and tragic.

was surprised that that one of the disfellowshipped children of the deceased was comforted by the jw's at the funeral.

i would say the majority hugged and said a few short words to the disfellowshipped child on the recieving line to comfort the family.

Dunedain

When both of my Granparents died, within a few years of each other, there were TONS of JW's at both funerals, because my parents are still "IN", and have been since the 70's. My parents have hundreds of JW "friends", and MANY TRUE friends, both JW and not.

Anyway, i am/was DF'd, and almost EVERYBODY came up to me and hugged me, and gave me condolences for losing my Grandparents. Of course, i know, and rightly so, they were there more for my Father, as it was his parents who died, but i was treated very "normal".

I was love "bombed" by the Elders, but many in the R&F did not care what anybody "thought", and went up to me. There was one IDIOT elder, and he was always an idiot, the fact that he IS an Elder, shows how desperate they are for "qualified men", and this dopes ONLY words to me, at the funeral, were " Have you thought about coming back to the truth". Out of respect for my Father, i did NOT kick his knees out, punch him in his throat, and carry him over my shoulder and out the funeral homes front door. Instead, i said "no", and walked away.

As nice as this was, to at least be "acknowledged" by these people, i had to go to the Kingdom hall like 6 months later, for a brothers who was a business partner of mines funeral talk. Well ALL those SAME Elders, WOULD NOT EVEN LOOK AT ME NOW. It was ridiculous, almost comical. I felt like saying, "what happened", remember like 6 months ago we said hello, now you are literally waling by me, pretending i am not here". If it didnt hurt so much, it would be almost childish in behavior, like they were scared little 4 year olds of the "boogey man".

Quite a few of the R&F, DID acknowledge me at the KH, and waved or smiled, BUT NOT the elders, but yet just 6 months before, they were love bombing me at a funeral. CRAZY!!!!!!

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New Watchtower Propaganda and hate speech destroying families (Feb 2016 WT)

by Daniel1555 in

the following is a paragraph from the new february study watchtower article "learn from jehovah's loyal servants.".

7 a conflict of loyalties may arise when a close relative is disfellowshipped.

for example, a sister named anne [1] received a telephone call from her disfellowshipped mother.

Dunedain

WOW, guys, this is GOOD news. Of course, i dont mean the horrible, twisted, unloving, and unchristian, behavior the WTS is promoting here.

What i mean, is that this is truly a sign of their unraveling, and desperation. They are losing it, and have dropped the ball. This is complete and utter desperation on their part, and is based on FEAR.

They KNOW that they are LOSING. The masses ARE getting disgruntled. The MANY that have been shunned, DF's, or DA'd, have been planting seeds, and "reaching" the hearts of many. The internet, is DESTROYING the WTS's illusions, and their lies are being exposed.

In their now desperate propaganda, and hate speech, they are only SHOOTING THEMSELVES IN THE FOOT. Now they are going to make further people decide, if they want to have a relationship with their "evil" family members, OR follow the teachings of out of touch MEN.

Its almost comical, how much the GB are their own worst enemies. Now they are going to make MORE Elders go on "witch hunts", and start DF ing MORE members for their relationships with "out" family members, and then the cycle will continue.

MORE and MORE will be leaving. The GB is squeezing the "life" out of the few that are barely hanging in, and MORE are going to fall out of their tight grip.

The WTS is a group of HATE, and they are now imploding, and at a RAPID pace, more than EVER before in the past.

We are the WITNESSES to JEHOVAH, finally cleansing the WTS and "unseating" them. These are exciting times, my friends, it is the beginnings of the END of this HATEFUL CULT.

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Something interesting!

by John Aquila in

i was invited to a small get-together by a long time friend.

we both served as elders for years.

he is in his late 70s.

Dunedain

Theres something happening here, what it is just isnt clear . . . . . . . .

Everybody, say stop, Hey, whats that sound, Everybody look whats going down . . . . . . . . .

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Executed Jehovah's Witness under Hitler were more Christian than Jdubs

by suavojr in

jw
friends

has anyone noticed how the phraseology of this letter is so far away from todays jw theology and idioms used?

do you notice what word is missing?

how would any of us be viewed in the congregations if we were to speak or write this way?

Dunedain

I wonder if, besides those supposed 3 sentences, the Nazis "edited" this letter some more. Maybe the Nazis, put "lord" in, and took out "jehovah", possibly. One of the reasons i feel this letter was "altered" even more so than the 3 sentences, is because i think he was saying " just cant shoot (another human/person)", not "just cant shoot". By the Nazis altering the letter that way, they can make it look like he wasnt "worthy", as someone who cant shoot, as opposed to someone who showed humanity by saying, cant shoot another human.

Just a thought, for some reason, my "gut" is telling me, the letter was REALLY "cut and pasted", even more than it shows. Obviouslly, the Nazis, DID censore letters, since it admits to the 3 sentences, so why wouldnt they take Jehovahs "name" out, and take out, or even add words, or wording, that they wished, who knows though.

Either way, this was a heart touching letter. I "felt" his pain, and felt for his poor family. What a shame.

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How would you/did you categorize the elders in YOUR hall!

by Truthexplorer in

i would consider some of the elders in my hall genuine shepherds ( though g men) there are a couple others i would consider robotic/wooden (boring) but ok. then of course there is the complete knob (pharisee wannabe) who grinds my wife and i's gears.

every hall seems to have one!!!

so how do/did you view the elders in your hall?

Dunedain

My old hall started out having "reasonable" men, one of whom was my father, when i was younger. My father eventually stepped down, due to tons of hypocrasy starting, especially as the "older" gentle elders were put out to pasture, and abunch of new assholes came in from other congs, and bethel.

We, also had the, back rubbing, sugar coating, PSYCHO, who was on a disfellowshipping rampage. Some Elders, who used to kiss his ass, and made like his bullshit was "spiritual", eventually HATED him, once he turned on them, and their family. 4 elders wound up leaving to go to other congs. They had to give announcements, and local needs, about how "bad" that was.

Many, power tripping, HIGHLY JUDGEMENTAL, men. Would compare you to JUDAS, and NOT because you were an apostate, but because you committed fornication, and smoked weed. Would, also, say you would have been stoned for that, back in ancient Isreal. Yeah, and i also would have had 100 wives, slaves, and SEEN Jehovah part thr red sea, too, JERK-OFF.

A few older, elders from Bethel, who thought they were practically Jesus incarnate, and expected you to kiss their ass, because they were on the "writing committee", or did jail time when they were 18 for not going to war, PUSSY was probably SCARED.

Elders who used to condemn EVERYTHING the teenagers were doing, and that we were "animals", while their 6 year old children were PERFECT, until they became teenagers, and now THEY are REAL ANIMALS, KARMAS a bitch aint it.

The PO would blame the "poor spirit" of the congregation, on YOU, and then after YOU are gone thru DF ing, the congregation does even WORSE, and the Elder body is splintered. PO would never apologize, or take responsibility for THEIR actions as the HEAD.

Honestly, and this is really the truth, some of the WORST human beings i have EVER known, were the Elders i grew up knowing, up until my early 20's when i left, and i have worked with LAWYERS, and CRIMINALS. Right now, in my life, i have over 300 business accounts, and deal with over a 1000 employees and owners, within these accounts, on a monthly basis, and NONE of these "worldly" people, even come close to being as EVIL as most of the elders i have known. In my second "business", as a landlord, i rent to all types of people, of all economic levels, and races, and neighborhoods, and have yet to find bigger scumbags than the elders i have known, and i HAVE been "beat" on rent.

Some of these "men" have made the biggest impression on my life, in such a negative way, and they were supposed to be the "shepards" of the organization. Myself, now being the man i am today, could never bring myself to treat another person the way they have treated others, including myself, and i never have claimed to be "guided" by "holy spirit".

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Canadian JW's exerting themselves vigorously. Really?

by clarity in

jw
friends

there were at least four jw's to one lone man on the street.

they look to be mostly elders.

if they are ... is this the example they really want to set.

Dunedain

The "tension", and "escalating" manner, that this got to, was because of the JW's. This guy, and YES it may have been a tad forward, just was asking about wanting to ask a few questions. He was upfront about wanting to tape it and that he just had a few questions. Those 3 men, IGNORING him, unable to engage him, and literally walking away from him, like children, is what escalated it.

Give the guy a chance, THEY assumed it was going to be negative, and THEY pre-judged the situation, just as much as some are saying this guy who approached them did.

When it was clear, that they WERE cowards, and just wanted to "pretend" that there was NOT a human being in front of them, then this guy acknowledged it, and walked away. He did NOT curse them out, or call them names. Yes, its true, we as the watchers of this, probably knew he wasnt sympathetic, but THEY didnt know. Their attitude was to ignore him, pre-judge his intentions, and walk away. That is essentially what HE did too. The difference, HOWEVER, is these men have put themselves on the street TO be approached, TO present information, and TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.