Posts by Dunedain

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Is Satan Real ?

by jdash in

i've been pondering on this question for awhile now, and i'm starting to think this malevolent spirit creature isn't real.

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do you guys believe satan is real?

The "invention" of Satan, is a very simple minded attempt to "explain" the many evils in the world. There are, have been, and always will be, tremendous evils, atrocities, and horrors, that befall humankind, and the world in general.

The animal kingdom moves on, survives, and adapts to these things. Humans have a need to explain these things. To accept such horrors, is sometimes inconceivable to most.

Satan was an attempt by mankind to "answer" why these evils happen. Its almost childlike to say that ALL evil happened, and came into this world from, and by ONE creature.

A creature that we cannot see. We cannot talk to, and we cannot ever truly know. It makes it easy to say the "boogeyman" did it. Satan is the ultimate "boogeyman". The cause for all the wrongs, but he is simply a manmade concept created to "explain" what we don't want to accept.

Yes his forms and name have changed over the years. His place in culture has changed over the years. The way in which he is used, by the clergy as a scare tactic, by the simple as an explanation, and so on and so forth.

In the end Satan is simply a name and face to place upon all that is wrong in the world.

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Other Religious Denominations

by Plato in

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it’s me again, your favorite greek philosopher xdd.. i was wondering if any ex-jws around here have since indetified with other christian denominations.

if that is the case for you, how has it been?

do you feel more welcome?

Dunedain

I truly say to each his own, but with that being said, myself personally, I could never understand why someone who left the Borg would ever get involved with another denomination of Christianity, or at least in an organized way.

I would be more prone to go towards a completely different faith, like Hinduism lol, than Christianity, simply for the fact that it would be a different beast all together, and a learning experience. Again, this is if I went in an organized religious way.

I think I still "lean" towards Christianity, when it comes to a religious mind set, but it is my own version of it, based on my own knowledge, and gleaning of information. I find it crazy to me, when I hear of someone who was a JW, left, and went back to Catholicism. I know specifically of an old family friend who did just that. I don't get it.

Again, to each his own though. If that makes you happy, then so be it. Personally, I would rather dive in head first into learning about evolution, than diving into another version of organized religion. I am at a phase now where gaining knowledge in subjects I am not as educated in, is my goal. I want to learn more about evolution, for example, if its real, how it works, what the facts are, so I will direct my time n energy in that direction.

I just don't feel that another form of Christianity is worthy of my valuable time and resources. Again, just my personal opinion.

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Is Satan Real ?

by jdash in

i've been pondering on this question for awhile now, and i'm starting to think this malevolent spirit creature isn't real.

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do you guys believe satan is real?

Dunedain

Satan IS real!!! I have an ex-wife.

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Annual Meeting 2017—Talks and Adjustments to the Ministry

by Zeds Dead in

just watched this video on dub broadcasting website under latest videos.. the tony morris part about 18 mins into the video where he takes forever sermonizing about "seeking out ones rightly disposed to everlasting life" he goes on and on about it and then finally says "the gb have decided that there will only be 3 magazines a year for the public and no year books anymore".

firstly there must be some active dubbers asking why it took forever just to say that and secondly why another cut back?.

seems like the whole thing is just about the website now..

Dunedain

Did these GB assholes forget that they said years ago that the Watchtower mags were fulfillment of prophecy from the book of Revelations, lol?

Remember the magazines were the "stinging message" from the scorpions. Their millions of magazines each year PROVED they were being blessed by Jah. The millions of magazines fulfilled bible prophecy, and JWs were the wielders of this "stinging message".

Now they are printing 3 rags a year. Whats going on? No more "stinging message"? No more fulfillment of Revelations? No more blessings from Jah?

NOPE, its NO MORE MONEY!!!!

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God Cannot Lie, But God's Organization Can?

by AmABeliever in

in the recently leaked bethel training videos, both speakers state that inappropriate flirting really amounts to lying, as if a person is misrepresenting either his interest or availability to another person romantically.. we are reminded that the bible is very plain in its expressions on lying such as proverbs 12:22 which states it is detestable to god.

so with the example given here, we must have a very high standard in separating what is truthful from what is not.. with that being the case, it shocks me that bethel would produce a video presented to all in attendance at the 2017 regional convention regarding the early 1970's, essentially rewriting history as to what actually happened.. is misrepresenting your past and misleading millions of followers not a much more extreme case of lying from those who claim to reject any form of lying no matter how small, such as flirting?

would anyone like to add more examples to this thread?.

Dunedain

@ days of future passed - Well according to that WT logic, the GB's lies ARE the bad hurtful ones. MANY R&F JWs were "harmed" financially, emotionally, and even physically, from just the 1975 stuff alone.

Many JWs were shamed from the stage into selling off their material possesions. Into not having children, hence harming their emotional states. Shamed into not pursuing higher education, and living a life of poverty.

This is just one example of how the GBs LIES have HARMED "Gods" people. That's not even getting into the blood issue.

So, even by the GBs OWN definition of "bad" lying, they ARE liars.

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Does praying really matter? Where is the evidence?

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

matthew 7:7 jesus says: ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you.

for every one who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened.

or what man of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone?

Dunedain

I prayed to have my prayers answered, to ask for an answer to my prayer, but so far nothing. It feels a lot like talking to myself.

One JW was praying for rain, cause he's a farmer. Another JW in his same congregation was praying for sunny weather, cause he's a roofer. I wonder which prayer god answers.

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An elder with only one testicle

by stillin in

i happen to be one of very few people who know of this condition that the man has.

he had an accident several years ago with some power equipment.

leviticus 21:20 commands that no man present the bread at the temple with damaged testicles... so?.

Dunedain

I wonder if the scripture was actually referring to eunuchs not being able to present bread at the table, instead of guys with actual deformities of their testicles. Maybe it was something about that, and that eunuchs couldn't have privileges, idk. Its just a guess on my part, could be wrong though.

I do know that eunuchs were a big thing back then. More so than today, I think. They would sometimes be in charge of different households, as a "prevention" against them impregnating the woman of the household, lol.

Maybe more and more numbers of Israelites were becoming eunuchs and they had to institute certain restrictions, like this one? Just a guess.

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John the Baptist has no heavenly hope?

by Ireneus in

jws teach that john the baptist would not inherit kingdom of heaven.

however, there are problems with this teaching.. john’s mother elizabeth was both barren and too old to conceive.

(luke 1:7) birth of john was an act of “holy spirit.” (luke 1:15) then we find jesus saying: “among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than john the baptist; yet whoever is least in the kingdom of heaven [“kingdom of god,” luke 7:28] is greater than he.” (mathew 11:11; luke 7:28).

Dunedain

John the Baptist wanted to get to heaven, but he couldn't get a HEAD.

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In one sentence, can you pinpoint a single event that woke you up?

by Brian J in

my turning point: serving on a child abuse judicial case.

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Dunedain

Yeah, Brian J, can you give us some more info concerning the child abuse case, and how it helped you wake up?

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The John Cedars Channel on YouTube taken down after posting a critique of leaked videos for Regional (District) Convention

by oppostate in

the wt is at it again it seems.

playing dirty as it can, trying to silence dissenters.. the john cedars channel on youtube has been taken down after the posting of a video critique of regional (district) convention leaked videos.. sounds like something putin would do in russia.

you know what they say, birds of a feather fly together--what a murder of crows all of'em!.

Dunedain

@ John Davis - Is that true? The conventions are copyrighted? I am not disagreeing with you, or arguing, I really don't know.

I had figured since they are open, free of charge, and all can attend, that you could video the convention if you wanted. Then in turn if you wanted to post it on youtube, its your right, idk. Maybe I am wrong, I guess.