i don't think i'd be so involved in making the truth be known if they weren't so extreme.. only when it affects our quality of life and our family and friendships, do i feel the need to tell others of what i know to be true about the religion.. what about you?.
If they relaxed their stance on disfellowshipping a lot and allowed birthdays, thanksgiving, mothers and fathers day I would stay in.
Oh and a paid clergy, unpaid clergy is just plain stupid. Half the elders are ass kissing idiots who don't give a shit, and the other half are beaten down by that half. To endure that for free is insanity.
my elder buddy and i would frequent strip clubs when we wanted to.. a few friends knew i enjoyed clubbing and music concerts and i seldom ever spoke of my private social life to others.. i know many jws, including elders, that drank excessively but that wasn't considered too big a deal..
excessive drinking, reading Crisis of Conscience, reading In Search of Christian Freedom, lying on my precious ministry reports, rated R movies, violent video games, getting oral in high school (not yet baptized). I could go on but it becomes redundant
has the requirements to be a gb member changed over the last 20 years.
i was last a jw in the 80's and at that time i thought you had to be able to remember 1914?
is my memory bad or was this a doctrine change?.
Hasn't changed that I know of... who can give the best colonoscpoy to current GB members with their tongues.
after reading throught bluepill2's thread on the wts asl masturbation video, i wonder, are they doing this on purpose?
are they somehow hoping some of this stuff goes viral to garner attention?
are they counting on a public backlash so they can claim persecution?
I was at Bethel and yes most people who stay there longer than 5 yrs become out of touch with the real world. They seriously forget what its like to work, pay bills, shop for and cook your own food. They can't relate anymore to what happens in the real world and the result is bator and sparlock videos.
this weekend was the convention for the southern san francisco bay area.
it was held at the santa clara convention center in the silicon valley http://www.santaclara.org/conventioncenter/ which is an improvement over the old s.f.
cow palace which is still used..just not as much.
Those parts are almost always assigned to the best asskissers in the circuit/district. Since they stood up to take it in the ass for the WTB&TS they were rewarded. Assembly and convention parts are normally assigned depending on if the person spits or swallows.
i knew some families that celebrated "family day" on christmas eve or some time around the holiday.. i don't know of too many witnesses that actually celebrated but kinda came close....haha.
Yes we had the full thanksgiving spread on that Thursday growing up. I continue the tradition today, even staying home from the dreadful meeting. Unfortunately this thanksgiving I have a dreadful km school that weekend.
i sympathize with you.
you may feel there's no where to go.
you might worry that you could lose all your friends and family.. you might believe it's better than the other religions and you should just "wait" on jehovah/the organization.. you might have doubts but you might feel a spiritual connection.. all i can suggest to you is to please think about your life.
Thanks Min. I have thoroughly enjoyed your posts over the passed 10 years. Keep it up.
i sympathize with you.
you may feel there's no where to go.
you might worry that you could lose all your friends and family.. you might believe it's better than the other religions and you should just "wait" on jehovah/the organization.. you might have doubts but you might feel a spiritual connection.. all i can suggest to you is to please think about your life.
Good advice. For some though, it is an over-simplification. It is not so easy to leave. I wish I could, if my wife would join me I could care less about the rest of my family. I wish my relationship was certain enough that I would know for sure if it would survive with me being an apostate but she is too attached to her family. I guess time will tell.
i think 60% think or hope it's all what it's cracked up to be and the others are just there for different reasons.. what do you think?.
80-90 percent. However if you were to estimate how many believe that the WT Org is still on the right track then that % would be less I think. Doctrinally it all sounds good, but many JWs are begining to realize that the org is screwed up.
on another thread discussing possible changes to the nwt, the post refered to a 2nd-hand report of a co leaking possible changes to 5 verses where "loose conduct" would be replaced by "brazen conduct.
" although it is merely speculative at this point, i would like to remind those of you who did attend the 2012 dc this summer about some important evidence that supports this theory.
if the program is still available on jw.org, feel free to see this for yourselves.
btw the so called special elder's school (km school) is starting the new service year not in January. I am scheduled in November. This school was all of a sudden added recently so something is up.
