Good for you. If only I had the guts to stand up for what I believe in and leave this chicken shit religion. You are a stronger man than I am because I fear "officially" leaving the WT because I think I would get a similar response from my wife. I wish you the best with this.
XBEHERE
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More excrement in the fan
by outsmartthesystem inwell.....i am now officially on the precipice of divorce.
it started last tuesday night.
my wife brings the kids home at 10:00 pm after the meeting....then dinner....then ice cream.
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Family Worship
by XBEHERE inanyone else notice how the org is starting to equate family worship evening with an actual meeting.
i do realize that was probably always their intention but lately i have noticed them grouping it with "...ministry, attendance at meetings...family worship..".
they have the nerve to do that when one of the clearly stated reasons that they gave for disbanding the bookstudy was "increasing fuel costs" also spending an hour or more in some areas to travel to that hour long meeting essentially wasting time.
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XBEHERE
Anyone else notice how the org is starting to equate Family Worship Evening with an actual meeting. I do realize that was probably always their intention but lately I have noticed them grouping it with "...ministry, attendance at meetings...family worship.."
Are they f'king serious?? They have the nerve to do that when one of the clearly stated reasons that they gave for disbanding the Bookstudy was "increasing fuel costs" also spending an hour or more in some areas to travel to that hour long meeting essentially wasting time. Their solution was to combine that meeting with the TMS and Service meeting. So we are not missing any meetings. So WTF all of a sudden guilting you to use your additional free evening for Family Worship. What's next taking attendance from each household to make sure you attend?
Such bullshit in this "religion"
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So, Are YOU Better Off Than You Were A Few Years Ago In Your Life?
by minimus inis your life better off as a witness or exjw now than before?.
is your life better off in the last few years economically?.
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XBEHERE
economically yes
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Proof of adultery no longer needed to be spiritually free to remarry
by WuzLovesDubs inso this is what my soon to be ex says to me today...the same person who is courting wooing and flirting with a sister and has been for a very long time even way before i told him i wanted a divorce.
he tells me that they "dont spy on people any more to get proof" that my just telling him i did or him telling the elders that i did is "sufficient" for him to be free.
he also said hes not allowed to talk to said sister any more because she is "spiritually free" but not divorced yet!
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F rom new flock book, sorry I dont know how to paste properly.
10. Scriptural freedom to remarry requires three
conditions:
por-nei'a;
a rejection (refusal to reconcile)
by the innocent mate; and a legal, final divorce.
-Matt. 5:31, 32; 19:9; Heb. 13:4.
11. If a dedicated Christian who accuses his believing
mate of adultery and
wishes to establish
freedom to divorce and remarry
approaches an
elder, the matter should be referred to the body of elders.
The accuser is not free unless the evidence establishing
wrongdoing is sufficient to warrant the
formation of a judicial committee. (Deut. 19:15; John
8:17) If the accused mate is associated with another
congregation, the evidence should be presented to
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"Shepherd the Flock
o f God”~ l Peter 5:2
the elders of that congregation for review and a determination.
The publisher should be advised
that he
is
not to view himself as Scripturally free until theelders
have investigated
and guilt isestablished.
12. In some cases adultery is not proved, but it is
established by confession or by two or more witnesses
that the mate stayed
all nightin the same house
with a person of the opposite sex (or a known homosexual)
under improper circumstances.
The elders
should carefully consider the situation. Were the individuals
together
all night? Were impropercircumstances
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Proof of adultery no longer needed to be spiritually free to remarry
by WuzLovesDubs inso this is what my soon to be ex says to me today...the same person who is courting wooing and flirting with a sister and has been for a very long time even way before i told him i wanted a divorce.
he tells me that they "dont spy on people any more to get proof" that my just telling him i did or him telling the elders that i did is "sufficient" for him to be free.
he also said hes not allowed to talk to said sister any more because she is "spiritually free" but not divorced yet!
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XBEHERE
if he confesses to pornea with someone else then they will accept that, thats all they need acording to current standards. He can't just accuse you and be free if you deny it, they will not allow that since there is no proof. It will be a tricky situation and can cause many problems for the elders for sure. Bottom line is they need to have proof either by confession or witnesses.
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Umm Hi
by Killa inso i have something interesting to share.. i am a jehovah's witness.
i have been in the truth for 26 years of my life.
as a young boy i deeply loved the truth.
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Interesting story, welcome to the board. I am also an active elder who was on a similar course as you about 12-15 years ago. Assembly parts, pioneer with wife, CO's pet, etc. Of course I didn't have the emotional issues that you seem to have based on your comments.
I started turning down things theocratically when I realized that many elders are in it for themselves, for their own glory, it was all a game of politics and I was an ass kisser. Not wanting to be an ass kisser I said f*ck it and told the CO's to piss off. I was labeled as a "bad attitude" I was stripped of being the PO in my congregation, stripped of being in the "know", and was forgotten. Which was fine for me because by then I had decided that there was something up with this religion. Then about 10 yrs ago I realized that this org allows children to be raped and it is covered up. That was it for me emotionally.
Anyway, sorry for hijacking your thread. I wish you the best in your endeavours. Stay here, go up to you.
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Absalom prefigured young JWs who fist bump, play video games, and take pictures of themselves with the opposite sex
by JimmyPage injehovah's witnesses top the list in not being able to hold on to their younger members.
so what do they do to combat this?
do they go out of their way to change things to keep the next generation, their only real hope of long run survival?
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At our meeting the conductor focused a lot on that picture. He said it was so beautifully illustrated that the freedom the world has really isnt "true" and that Jehovah lovingly provides us spiritual food like this so we can see the difference between what he offers and what the world offers...
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Attendance is down in my congregation. We are at maybe 75-80% for weeknight and 80-90% for Sunday. CO is always claiming that we are low in the circuit but when I go to give talks out that doesn't seem to be the case.
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If The JW Religion Wasn't So Strict Would You Be Against It As Much As You Are?
by minimus ini don't think i'd be so involved in making the truth be known if they weren't so extreme.. only when it affects our quality of life and our family and friendships, do i feel the need to tell others of what i know to be true about the religion.. what about you?.
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If they relaxed their stance on disfellowshipping a lot and allowed birthdays, thanksgiving, mothers and fathers day I would stay in.
Oh and a paid clergy, unpaid clergy is just plain stupid. Half the elders are ass kissing idiots who don't give a shit, and the other half are beaten down by that half. To endure that for free is insanity.
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What Did You Do As A Witness That Could Have Gotten You Into Trouble Had The Elders Ever Known About It?
by minimus inmy elder buddy and i would frequent strip clubs when we wanted to.. a few friends knew i enjoyed clubbing and music concerts and i seldom ever spoke of my private social life to others.. i know many jws, including elders, that drank excessively but that wasn't considered too big a deal..
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excessive drinking, reading Crisis of Conscience, reading In Search of Christian Freedom, lying on my precious ministry reports, rated R movies, violent video games, getting oral in high school (not yet baptized). I could go on but it becomes redundant