Concerning the Sagan quote, (thanks clarity) I find it curious that Sagan even would know enough about the witnesses to make such a precise and accurate comment. He hit the nail on the head. Did he ever have a connection to the witnesses? family members or something?
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What shape is the WTBTS in????
by lonestar63 inbeen many years since i've been inside a hideous kh.
i posted my story on here a few years ago, and thought i would drop back in and say hi.
i'm just curious, are people leaving in droves???
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This is the man who made it all happen!
by Terry inwilliam miller.. do you know how important this man has been to your life?
do you know your life would have been entirely different (without a doubt) had he not lived?.
read on!.
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Interesting post!
I think it fair to say that Miller, despite what some of his biographers wrote, did not come up with his time prophecies entirely through his own study of the Bible using only the Concordance. Of course the basic ideas, day-for-a-year, etc had been appearing for centuries. I really would be interested in knowing exactly what books Miller would have had access to, or indeed what books were commonly found in NE America at that time.
On another note, a previous post mentioned the SDA books 'The Prophetic Faith of Our Fathers'. I have looked at only one of these (there are 4 volumes in the series) and was really impressed with the detail and candid way the history of the beliefs was presented. I think they were written in the 40's or 50's?? and the author/editor's name was Froome or something like that.
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An interesting YouTube experiment, JWs straying onto an "apostate" channel
by cedars insome time ago i uploaded a video to youtube that was a medley of different young ones singing "listen obey and be blessed.
" as you can imagine, it's rather creepy.. here it is.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ou802omcnvq.
my intention in making the video was twofold.
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'Enter into his rest' is JW speak for entering the new order. I think it comes from the scripture of Jesus being the lord of the sabbath, kind of a throwback to the Russellite Millenial beliefs
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Is there a mirror site for JW.net?
by dropoffyourkeylee inok, i'm confused.
i found the following site in a google search:.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/jw.
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Great! I like the looks of it
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'No Announcements' - Big Mistake!
by The Searcher inwe are only a few short months into the "no more announcements - let them read the notice board" at the meetings, and now the effects of that new directive are beginning to reveal themselves: no information being given out regarding someone's loss of a relative, no information about someone who is ill or been admitted to hospital, and definitely no information about families moving out of the area and going to other congregations!!.
however, announcements about "special" christmas day field service must be made!!.
the import of the apostle paul's words really seem to have gone over the "decision-makers'" heads - (galatians 6:10) really, then, as long as we have time favorable for it, let us work what is good toward all, but especially toward those related to [us] in the faith.. coupled with the removal of the weekly group book study, the detrimental consequences of eliminating fellow-feeling and closer contact with one another can only lead to one eventuality - alienating one another!.
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I thought the change was that there is no scheduled 5 minutes for 'announcements' in the service meeting. Around here they still make a number of announcements at different times, but it is not on any schedule
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Is there a mirror site for JW.net?
by dropoffyourkeylee inok, i'm confused.
i found the following site in a google search:.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/jw.
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I tried to log in to the site and it gave an error. Everything is out of date by about 3 months. It just strikes me as odd
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Is there a mirror site for JW.net?
by dropoffyourkeylee inok, i'm confused.
i found the following site in a google search:.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/jw.
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OK, I'm confused. I found the following site in a google search:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/jw
It appears to have a lot of the same content as jehovahs-witness.net, but not exactly. Is it a mirror site or what?
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If JW Missionaries Were Abducted By Terrorists How Would The Watchtower Society Handle It?
by minimus inwhat do you think?.
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dropoffyourkeylee
Didn't something like this happen in the Philippines about 10 years ago? Maybe someone can remember the details and find an old post
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OK, spill the beans, which one of us wrote into Biblical Archaeology Review this month about the pronunciation of YHWH?
by dropoffyourkeylee inhere's the subject:.
the "q&c" questions and comments section of the journal 'biblical archaeology review' (one of my favorite magazines), jan/feb 2013 , p. 68, someone from illinois wrote the following question:.
quote: "we've often heard that 'jehovah' is an amalgamation of the unpronounced tetragrammaton (yhwh) and, when spoken, is pronounced "lord" (adonai).
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For the benefit of many of the viewers of JWN who may not be aware of the issues, here are a few of my comments. I'm sure this has been discussed here before, but for a scholar to address the issue in a recent issue of the Biblical Archaeology Review it is time to bring it up again.
The name represented by the tetragrammaton YHWH is, as JWs are fond of pointing out, found in the Old Testament (OT) over 7000 times, and the New World Translation (NWT) places the divine name, spelled 'Jehovah', in each of those 7000+ places. However in the New Testament (NT), the original language Greek contains the divine name ..... how many times? --ZERO-- that's right the name YHWH, Yahweh, Jehovah has NEVER been found in any Greek NT manuscript. Yet you will find the name Jehovah in the NWT Greek Scriptures over 240 times, where the WT translator has taken it upon himself to guess where he could put it. The insertion of 'Jehovah' in the NWT Greek Scriptures is one of the most blatently dishonest things the WT has ever done.
The WT argument has been that Jesus used the divine name in everyday speech. This is their belief, but no reputable scholar has ever supported them in this. The WT had the nerve to quote George Howard of the University of Georgia (now deceased) to support their decision, in the appendix to the study edition of the NWT. Mr Howard later went on camera and lambasted the WT for quoting him out of context. He was pissed.
The point of the original post is that a recent scholar, Mr. Tigay, also does not support the WT view, and although he leaves it open for more discussion, he believes that the divine name was not uttered by first century Jews such as Jesus.
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OK, spill the beans, which one of us wrote into Biblical Archaeology Review this month about the pronunciation of YHWH?
by dropoffyourkeylee inhere's the subject:.
the "q&c" questions and comments section of the journal 'biblical archaeology review' (one of my favorite magazines), jan/feb 2013 , p. 68, someone from illinois wrote the following question:.
quote: "we've often heard that 'jehovah' is an amalgamation of the unpronounced tetragrammaton (yhwh) and, when spoken, is pronounced "lord" (adonai).
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OK no reponses besides Satan (thanks Bro)
Here is the last paragraph of the 4 paragraph response from the 'BAR' writer Jeffrey Tigay, Prof of Hebrew and Semitic Languages ... at Univ of Pennsylvania:
"We can't pinpoint exactly when Adonai came to be the preferred substitute, but it is likely that Jews of the first century, including Jesus and his followers, did use this or another substitute."
translation: Tigay is saying that Jesus did NOT say YHWH, Yahweh, or any equivalent, but used the words that were substituted, like Adonai
Thank you , Jeff Tigay!