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  Watchtower Dumps Chemical Waste in Shawangunk

  by villagegirl in

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  revelation 11:18 that "god will destroy those who.

  destroy the earth.

  do you believe that polluters will literally be destroyed ?.

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  The article dates to Jan, 2012, as to the JW.net discussions. Have there been any other developments since then?
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  'Lamp' book by Ray Franz???

  by AgentSmith in

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  my father, (still an elder) has suprised me last week with a simple text message.

  "we (my mother & father) will be in your city this weekend, please come and have supper with us".

  i was delaying my reply, thinking of what to say, when he phoned.

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  The Lamp book that I remember from the 60's was a yellow book, thin but a little taller than most of their books. It was the book with the 80 questions you went through before baptism. It was basically an early version of the 'organization' book. I am pretty sure it did not address any dates as described in the original post.
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  Casual sexism in Watchtower literature

  by slimboyfat in

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  2. beliefs

  i notice the sexist language of the watchtower a lot more these days.

  is it on the increase or am i simply more tuned into to noticing it now?

  for example this statement in the june kingdom ministry:.

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  Julia, thanks for posting the Hitler link. It appears to be a rally, perhaps one of the famous Nuremburg rallies, later than 1933 but before 1941 when Rudolf Hess flew to Scotland and was captured. What strikes me is the style of oratory, the bombastic statements, sustained pauses and applause between almost every statement, are similar to the JW conventions in the 60's and early 70's. Maybe that was typical oratory in the 30's and 40's, but I have only seen it in two places: JW conventions and Hitler's speeches. It is propaganda and mass manipulation, plain and simple.
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  Found this gem in a coffee table book from 1947

  by fresh prince of ohio in

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  2. friends

  context was a discussion of anti-war groups.

  the caption for the pic described the jws as "pathetic" (probably reflecting the victorious postwar mood).

  outlaw could probably have some fun incorporating this pic into his comments!

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  What book was this picture in? From the verbiage above the photo I would guess some very conservative publication. The photo certainly looks odd, I wonder if it had been cut and pasted. The lady on the left (without the headcovering) definitely looks out of place at a 1940 JW convention
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  Yet another Septuagint manuscript using the divine name found

  by slimboyfat in

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  2. bible

  larry hurtado mentioned on his blog that yet another early manuscript of the septuagint has been found that uses the divine name instead of lord (kurios), this time representing the divine name with ancient hebrew letters (yhwh) in what is the earliest extant copy of the psalms in greek.

  hurtado argues that the use of the definite article before the divine name indicates that the manuscript relies on earlier copies that used lord (kurios), but the fact remains that all the earliest copies of the septuagint that have survived use some form of the divine name and none use lord (kurios) as a substitute.

  that's about ten out of ten for manuscripts of the septuagint earlier than mid-second century c.e so far.. http://larryhurtado.wordpress.com/2013/07/02/new-oxyrhynchus-manuscripts/.

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  I think there is a fair chance the JWs are right that the substitution of YHWH/IAO with kurios was a Christian innovation dating to the second century CE.

  I am reading it differently. I think Hurtado, as well as the source he mentions by Martin Rösel, is saying that the LXX 'autographs' if you will, contained kurios, but the substitution of the Hebrew-letter tetragrammaton was done later by copyists. Maybe I'm just not getting it
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  Yet another Septuagint manuscript using the divine name found

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  larry hurtado mentioned on his blog that yet another early manuscript of the septuagint has been found that uses the divine name instead of lord (kurios), this time representing the divine name with ancient hebrew letters (yhwh) in what is the earliest extant copy of the psalms in greek.

  hurtado argues that the use of the definite article before the divine name indicates that the manuscript relies on earlier copies that used lord (kurios), but the fact remains that all the earliest copies of the septuagint that have survived use some form of the divine name and none use lord (kurios) as a substitute.

  that's about ten out of ten for manuscripts of the septuagint earlier than mid-second century c.e so far.. http://larryhurtado.wordpress.com/2013/07/02/new-oxyrhynchus-manuscripts/.

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  SlimBoy, thanks for pointing out this website.

  Actually, there are two posts by Prof Larry Hurtato in the last few days:

  http://larryhurtado.wordpress.com/2013/07/02/new-oxyrhynchus-manuscripts/

  http://larryhurtado.wordpress.com/2013/07/03/the-divine-name-and-greek-translation/

  The articles and the followup questions and answers are really interesting.
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  PAYBACK: How Judge Rutherford conceived the MILITARY neutrality policy

  by Terry in

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  when rutherford published (in defiance of russell's will) a phoney posthumus final volume of russell's studies in the sciptures (the finished mystery) problems began which eventually resulted in criminal prosecution for watchtower society administrators.. certain passages in this book were so anti-government as to represent the society's views as dangerous to national security.

  (in a time of war.).

  the blowback from this book was unexpectedly severe.

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  I have long thought that the Society's use of the title 'Birth of a Nation' was borrowed from the famous film of that name. If I remember, the film came out in about 1916 or 17? and for many years (until Gone with the Wind) the film with the most viewers. Surely anyone who saw the name 'Birth of a Nation' in the 1920's would have immediately associated it with the movie, and for Rutherford to use that as the title of a Watchtower article just blows my mind. 'Birth of a Nation', for those who may not have heard of it, is a portrayal of the Ku Klux Klan as heros who were saviors of the South. It is outrageous propaganda that is so blatantly racist that it is shocking. At the same time, the movie was recognized for a number of cinematic effects that were quite ahead of its time.
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  2013 Baptisms @ U.S. District Conventions Reports?

  by Gayle in

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  2. beliefs

  anyone getting/hearing how baptism numbers are this summer @ conventions?

  in previous years, reports showed less baptisms per attendance numbers.

  overall, annual 2012 service report showed for u.s. reduction in baptisms..

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  Dayton Ohio, Saturday, 6/29/2013

  I counted 29 baptised out of attendance of 6600.

  A whopping 0.44%
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  Warwick project... I had no clue it was this big!!!

  by sosoconfused in

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  http://www.townofwarwick.org/wt_con/_appendix%20j.pdf.

  of course i was aware that the new headquarters would be there but according to the above plans it is immense!.

  253 acres???

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  One of my family members recently (about 3 weeks ago) went for a weekend of volunteer work at Tuxedo NY, where on that weekend there were 800! workers in a single weekend. There is an intense activity I can only describe as feverish to get that project done. Tuxedo is about 8-10 miles away from Warwick, and the WT society has purchased what appears to be a midsize office building which they are renovating into residence rooms, which will then be used as residence for workers for the Warwick site when it is started. Also for storage of building supplies, I presume, but all I saw in the photos was the residence areas. All that has been done at Warwick so far has been demolition and clearing. The Tuxedo renovation is feverish... it looks like they will be done in as little as a couple of months. The Tuxedo residence building looks like it has 4 or 5 floors, and I would expect maybe 40 rooms on each floor... just a guess as to the size.
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  Czech Government Collapses over Spying Scandal which now links Prime Minister's wife to becoming a Jehovah's Witness

  by jwleaks in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  czech government collapses over spying scandal which links prime minister's wife to becoming a jehovah's witness.

  prime minister: sex, mistress, gold, espionage and a jehovah's witness wife?.

  government cabinet resigns.

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  The JW connection to this is so tenuous that I have to suspect it is bogus. The prime ministers employee/girlfriend sounds like she's nuts.