Posts by Greybeard

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Pray for me (pain)

by StopTheTears in

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friends

i don't usually ask for prayers in here but i'm really down and out.

i have a pinched nerve in my lower back that will not get better.

also, my right foot hurts.

Why anyone would use a request like this to preach their atheistic views/religion is way beyond me. Doctors recognize that FAITH is important in the healing process. Negativity and stress kills and preaching your atheistic view to a person who is asking for prayer is not helping her. True she needs to go to the doctor and get as much help as possible as soon as possible but prayer and encouragement will help her to keep a positive attitude through all of this.

Dear StopTheTears please know that our prayers are with you. May God help you to endure your pain and give you strength to cope during this difficult time. My wife has had chronic pain issues and her faith has helped her to endure. She has been to many doctors. Recently she has had accupunture and that has really helped. Chinese medicine goes back thousands of years. You might want to look into that. Another thing we learned is they don't charge as much as most doctors do.

May God bless you,

Your brother in Christ,

Greybeard

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Are you including family members that has shun you for years in your will?

by jam in

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friends

i am sorry ,but my daughter will not be in my will.. her dughters my grand kids, that,s another story,.

it,s not their fault they do not know me.

comtemplating, in my will the money that i leave.

Greybeard

Jam,

Did you raise this child as a JW? My boys shunned me but I respected them for it. I taught them to obey the JW's org. They did it because they LOVE me and thought it was the only right way to help me return. WHY can't you see this? This is YOUR fault if you RAISED them as JWs!!! Not theirs. What did I do? I sucked it in and got reinstated just so I could talk to my boys. My oldest one who loves me with all of his heart in tears asked me if what he did helped me to come back. Truth is, YES, I never would have for sure. I didn't break his heart and tell him I no longer believe it. Because I got reinstated I have been able to place doubts in his mind. It is true, now he is fearful of me being "apostate" but we all know why. These children are confused. If you at one time was fighting for the JW cause and then left your children out there on the battle field because you no longer believe... It's your fault not theirs. I went back into the battle field to get my children out. That is where they are. Your child is where you left her/him. Now you are hurt because they wont talk to you? So now you want to show them and keep them out of your will? That will only reinforce what the WT says about you won't it? That you really don't love them. If that is the message you want to send to your child then go for it. Leave them out if you don't love them. Personally I could NEVER do such a thing to my child. Loyal JW's are NOT BAD PEOPLE!!! They are captive to a concept. I know many here will disagree with me but face the facts. YOU raised them in this cult. Maybe you didn't... I know I did. I will LOVE my children even if they don't speak to me for the rest of my life. I suggest you do the same. Then the pain in your heart that you are feeling will go away.

Your brother in Christ,

Greybeard

P.S. Edit:

By the way... I got DFed because I got a DUI. I felt it was wrong that they DFed me so at that time I researched everything on JW's. I learned "The Truth About The Truth." Even though I never wanted to be a JW again, I owed it to my family to "REPENT". Now if I get DFed again.... My children won't think it is because I sinned and couldn't man up... It will be for not believing all the false prophecies. They know how I feel now and only because I got reinstated. Now I am fading out... MY WAY

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C.O. Jonsson's response to Watchtower's latest 607 articles

by wannabefree in

http://kristenfrihet.se/vtsvar/vtsvar1.pdf.

(thanks to augustin for bringing this to our attention in another thread.

).

Greybeard

God... it was so much easier when all I had to do was read my Watchtower and let the borg figure all of this stuff out for me. Now I see the GB can't even defend their teachings. They need this dude Rolf Furuli to defend their dates. Now we got these guys C. O. Jonsson and this resent poster Larsinger who both sound like they know what they are talking about to me who have apparently been debating for years. Call me "thick" but I am at a loss and I don't feel like reading through all of this history to make heads or tails of all of this. I will leave it up to these "experts" and then maybe cast my vote later. As for the Watchtower, my vote has been cast. You can only cry wolf so many times and the wise will wise up. I can no longer trust them. As C. O. Jonsson and many others have clearly shown, they are quite dishonest when quoting other "scholars." I try to follow threads like this and marvel at those who can actually understand all of it. I thought C. O Jonsson had it all nailed down until Larsinger popped into this thread. I don't think anyone can figure it all out. Sorry Larsinger but to me, you sound a little nutty when you say the GB was DFed in 1992. As if God was actually using these false prophets up until then? They are the "Man on Lawlessness"? You must be from e-watchman or something. I respect your Bible knowledge and your opinion but I just can't buy that. Why would God use a lier like Rutherford? Rutherford and Russell were both false prophets as well as Freddy Franz and ALL that followed him. Now you yourself sound as if you are a prophet making claims. When is all of these false prophecies going to end?

I can relate to Jesus Christ because he was simple to understand. His message of love and forgiveness was very clear. He also said that it does not belong to us to know the times or seasons. He said he would come as a thief unexpected. He said not to go after those who say the day has drawn near. I am going with Christ and his teachings. I put my trust in no man as the Bible warns us. I have been deceived enough by man.

Peace to you and may God be with you!

Your brother in Christ,

Greybeard

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If You Were God How Would You Prove You Existed

by Pig in

i ask this because obviously everyone has different criteria, hence why we have muslims who think quran is the more than enough proof, christians who think the bible is perfect proof and atheists who believe that nothing yet has been proof enough of gods existence.. living with humans we all must have a good idea of human nature (god should certainly know) so what would you provide as proof if you were god to convince the masses of your existence?.

if you were a christian would your proof surpass that contained in the bible, would you provide less proof?.

if you are atheist would you provide a mathematical equation or a series of supernatural events that fulfill prophecies every 100 years?.

Greybeard

Look around you, he doesn't need to prove anything...

I would make some things evolve so fast that man would know it was impossible for them to have evolved

Butterflies butterfly

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Removing Resentment for The Watchtower and our Jehovah Witness Families

by Greybeard in

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friends

as a person who has suffered from much resentment sense learning the truth about the truth (ttatt).

i have needed to put tools into place in order to get over it.

for me, it hasnt been easy.

Greybeard

As a person who has suffered from much resentment sense learning The Truth About the Truth (TTATT). I have needed to put tools into place in order to get over it. For me, it hasn’t been easy. I believed with all my heart that I would not grow old in this system and now that is where I find myself. Growing old and unprepared to support my wife and myself through old age. As much as I hate to admit it, I realize that ultimately the blame lies with me. I could have heeded the warnings about those who claim the end is close and warnings about false prophets from Christ but I didn’t. I also ignored the Watchtowers prophetic record especially when people at the door would mention it to me.

Nelson Mandela once said, “Resentment is like drinking poison and then hoping it will kill your enemies.” I find that true in my case except I don’t literally want to kill my enemies. Resentment is actually a poison for me... READ MORE

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Immediate accidental sex

by rebel8 in

there was a thread here some time ago with a title something like this.

it was about the wts' silly teachings about chaperones needing to be present every single moment to prevent couples from having sex, as though sex is something that happens instantly and accidentally.. i saw this today and thought of that thread.here for more.. *on 2nd thought....i am not sure the pics would meet posting guidelines...so click the above link.

it's a few comic strips depicting silly scenes in which "immediate accidental sex" happened.

Greybeard

@ Talesin

I'm sorry but I can't lend it to you

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Immediate accidental sex

by rebel8 in

there was a thread here some time ago with a title something like this.

it was about the wts' silly teachings about chaperones needing to be present every single moment to prevent couples from having sex, as though sex is something that happens instantly and accidentally.. i saw this today and thought of that thread.here for more.. *on 2nd thought....i am not sure the pics would meet posting guidelines...so click the above link.

it's a few comic strips depicting silly scenes in which "immediate accidental sex" happened.

Greybeard

They say Sex is like Bridge. If you don't have a good partner, you better have a good hand.

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Serving Jehovah - by Law or by Love?

by TimothyT in

i have started reading in search of christian freedom by franz.

the idea of searching for christian freedom is very important to me, and i already know that this book is going to be very helpful in this regard.

on pages 12 and 13, i read something which has been on my mind recently regarding the removal of the mosaic law and its replacement with love through jesus christ.

Greybeard

Timothy,

If you get a chance, I strongly encourage you to go here: http://www.hopebeyondhell.net/ and watch the videos and then download the pdf of "Hope Beyond Hell." There are two versions of this book free online. A shorter version and a long version of the book. I LOVE IT so much that I ordered 40 pamphlets to pass out. This is a heart warming message and I strongly agree with it.

Here is a video for you to check out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gtanuM-V58&feature=player_embedded#!

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I must admit, I sometimes wonder, what IF?

by Greybeard in

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friends

what if the watchtower stuck to their guns and didn't change the "generation" understanding?

when they came up with this totally ridiculous "overlapping generation" concept, i knew something was wrong.

there are people still alive who lived in 1914 today, they could have stuck to their guns or went with genesis 6:3, "after that jehovah said: my spirit shall not act toward man indefinitely in that he is also flesh.

Greybeard

((((((((((((((((DuDu)))))))))))))))))) Thanks

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I must admit, I sometimes wonder, what IF?

by Greybeard in

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friends

what if the watchtower stuck to their guns and didn't change the "generation" understanding?

when they came up with this totally ridiculous "overlapping generation" concept, i knew something was wrong.

there are people still alive who lived in 1914 today, they could have stuck to their guns or went with genesis 6:3, "after that jehovah said: my spirit shall not act toward man indefinitely in that he is also flesh.

Greybeard

Oooooops I really blew that one!!! SORRY Dudu!!! Please forgive me. for some reason I was thinking you were a guy. My bad! I just wasn't thinking... duhhhh