Posts by vienne

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JW Writing Committee has a dilemma with Stephen's prayer
by BoogerMan in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
(acts 7:59, 60) "and they went on casting stones at stephen as he made appeal* and said: “lord jesus, receive my spirit.” then, bending his knees, he cried out with a strong voice: “jehovah, do not charge this sin against them.” and after saying this he fell asleep [in death].

" *or, “invocation; prayer.” nwt reference bible).

w59 2/1 p. 96 - jesus had taught his followers that the father authorized him to raise others to life.
vienne

Paul spoke in response to a direct address. This is not the same as a prayer to Jesus. Your point is a 'false analogy,' a common logic fault.
In Stephen's case the Bible says: "54 When the members of the Sanhedrin heard this, they were furious and gnashed their teeth at him. 55 But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. 56 “Look,” he said, “I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.”"
He saw Jesus and God in vision. [Note that the verses describe Jesus as at God's right hand and not as God himself.] Stephen addresses his petition to a Jesus he sees. This is a conversational transaction. If you pray to Jesus, then shouldn't you follow the pattern set by these verses, and only address him when you SEE him?
Your point is poorly thought out.
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Is WT Teachig on Hell Biblical?
by Sea Breeze in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
i guess you could say jesus was the first christian, since he was the christ.

and as the first christian, jesus spoke more about hell that any other biblical figure.

but, he is also the figure that said that he didn't come to condemn the world, but to save it.
vienne

Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels - Mt. 25 :31
The fire is everlasting, but it does not say those thrown in it are.
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Mt. 10: 28
This says that the soul dies. If something is destroyed, it no longer exists.
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C. T. Russell, Knight Templar
by NotFormer in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
i've come across stuff on the web that states that russell claimed to be both a knight templar and a mason.

and also stuff on here that quotes various such organisations saying that russell didn't display enough knowledge about them to have ever been a member.. why do people act like such a revelation about russell is some sort of smoking gun?

rutherford purged russell from the organisation as soon as he could.. the people who would be more worried about the accusation would more likely to be members of the various surviving bible students groups.
vienne

Millions Now Living was a Rutherford product. Not Russell's. Russell never said that Michael was the Pope. [Oh, for goodness sake!]. And for historic context, many believed as did Russell about the great pyramid, including clergy who are still read and admired. That would include Seiss and Larkin.
Russell never claimed to be a mason or a knights templar. Too much silliness in this.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
original reddit post (removed).
vienne

You're all being silly now, everyone knows Lloyd fought porn addiction by going to Thailand to date a Thia ~~girl~~ boy.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
original reddit post (removed).
vienne

"It’s such a shame that Lloyd Evans has become such a poster child of what happens if you leave JWs and become apostate."
Yup. The poster boy for the mentally diseased.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
original reddit post (removed).
vienne

"You are all obsessed with Lloyd Evans. What are you compensating?"
I'm just here for the bad grammar. ... Okay, not really. Evans brought this on himself by means of his unwarranted pride and immorality that even many who were disfellowshipped for sexual misconduct would find repugnant. He continues to defend his abuse of others, his lack of 'penis control,' his abusive relationship with his wife, and just plain, every-day stupidity.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
original reddit post (removed).
vienne

I wonder if Lloyd boy was kicked in the head by a mule. That would explain everything. Well, perhaps not.
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Armageddon is just beginning
by TheEndIsNear in
1. social
2. current
do you want to know what is really behind the fake coronavirus pandemic, so-called vaccines and the war in ukraine?

to understand current events, you must first learn the history.

the world's biggest secret is that there have been tremendous global disasters in the past that decimated populations and caused the collapse of empires.
vienne

If I were pursuing my masters in Psychology instead of History, this would be an ideal place to research.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
original reddit post (removed).
vienne

I don't believe in inspired visions. However, I've had a ... vision. I saw Lloyd boy standing in a doorway. His eyes were wide and tear filled. Then, for no accountable reason, he banged his head on the wall, over and over, until he bled. All the while he mumbled, "my money! my money! oh my money! I'll have no money to pay Gloria, Sandra, or even 80 year old Carol. Oh what will I do?"
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A Press Conference of Hate: False Accusations of Sexual Abuse Against the Jehovah’s Witnesses 7~24~23
by Tahoe in
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https://bitterwinter.org/a-press-conference-of-hate-false-accusations-of-sexual-abuse-against-the-jehovahs-witnesses/.
vienne

EasyP,
I'm extremely sympathetic. As you recount it, your experience is distressing.
I do not see in the video links you provided any proof that M. Introvigne is paid in any fashion, except he likes to be in front of the camera.