(Hebrews 5:1-10) 5 For every high priest taken from among men is appointed [If Jesus is God co-equal with the father he would not be 'appointed' but assume the office in his own right. A priest is an intercessor, not the God he serves.] in their behalf over the things relating to God, so that he may offer gifts and sacrifices for sins. 2 He is able to deal compassionately with the ignorant and erring ones, since he too is confronted with his own weakness, [God in what ever form he has is not weak in any sense. Neither does he learn from weakness.] 3 and because of that he must make offerings for his own sins just as he does for those of the people. 4 A man does not take this honor of his own accord, but he receives it only when he is called by God, just as Aaron was. 5 So, too, the Christ did not glorify himself by becoming a high priest, but was glorified by the One who said to him: [Jesus was glorified in the same way as Aaron. A lesser is raised/glorified by the greater] “You are my son; today I have become your father.” 6 As he also says in another place, “You are a priest forever in the manner of Mel·chizʹe·dek.” 7 During his life on earth, Christ offered up supplications and also petitions, with strong outcries and tears, [Jesus prayed. God does not pray to himself. God's servants pray to him. Isaiah calls Jesus his servant. A Servant is not greater than his master, but less.] to the One who was able to save him out of death, [One needing salvation is less than and dependent on the one providing it.] and he was favorably heard for his godly fear. [εὐλαβείας "godly fear" is variously translated "worship" and "reverence." God does not worship himself.] 8 Although he was a son, he learned obedience from the things he suffered. [To whom was Jesus obedient? He was obedient to God. Obedience to God is worship. The lesser worships the greater. And in what sense does God learn anything. Everything is already within his intellectual grasp] ]9 And after he had been made perfect, [In what ever way Jesus was 'made perfect' he was in some sense not perfect or complete. That could not be said of God.] he became responsible for everlasting salvation to all those obeying him, 10 because he has been designated by God [Note: By God. Not by himself. Not a self-designation] a high priest in the manner of Mel·chizʹe·dek.[A priest is never the God he serves.]
Posts by vienne
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152Do JWs believe Jesus is an angel?
by slimboyfat ini would suggest:.
the short answer is yes.. the longer answer is a qualified yes, with some caveats.
the short answer is yes because jehovah’s witnesses teach that jesus is michael the archangel, their leader, eldest and most powerful, and have taught this since the very beginning of the religion.
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Do JWs believe Jesus is an angel?
by slimboyfat ini would suggest:.
the short answer is yes.. the longer answer is a qualified yes, with some caveats.
the short answer is yes because jehovah’s witnesses teach that jesus is michael the archangel, their leader, eldest and most powerful, and have taught this since the very beginning of the religion.
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vienne
I see the Catholic troll has struck again.
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The Watchtower's Depiction of 'paradise'..
by Ron.W. inperhaps we could post the pictures the wt have presented in their literature that depict their version of paradise here for comment/discussion:.
from: spirits of the dead—can they help you or harm you?
do they really exist?.
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Polar bears are named such because of their preferred environment. And it isn't in mid summer as in this picture.
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The Watchtower's Depiction of 'paradise'..
by Ron.W. inperhaps we could post the pictures the wt have presented in their literature that depict their version of paradise here for comment/discussion:.
from: spirits of the dead—can they help you or harm you?
do they really exist?.
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vienne
In the 1930s Watchtower booklets sometimes illustrated paradise as their artists pictured it. Here are two examples:
From His Works, 1934:
The image shows a pastoral society with the shepherd viewing post Armageddon remains. A bit gruesome.
This is from Home and Happiness, 1932:
Image shows a nice home - 1930s style of course - with a discarded cannon used as a bird's nest.
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Questions about WT illustrations
by Beck_Melbourne inwhen i was a kid....i used to look at the wt illustrations of paradise conditions and would day dream about life in the new system....i later used this same technique (shame on me) to brain wash bible students.
however...as i grew up lol (apparently!
) the illustrations changed....and became more modern.
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when I was much younger than I am now, Mom, Uncle B and my aunt and a cousin toured Brooklyn Bethel. Many of the original paintings used as Watchtower illustrations hung in hallways. They were well-executed paintings. When translated to publication illustrations all that was lost, and they became quite ugly.
I wondered why they didn't use sketches and line drawings that would have translated to the page more effectively. Today, of course, they can print photographs which translate to text illustrations more clearly.
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Odd bit of Watch Tower history
by vienne inhttps://truthhistory.blogspot.com/2024/08/1912-world-missionary-tour.html.
from russell's 1912 world tour.
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https://truthhistory.blogspot.com/2024/08/1912-world-missionary-tour.html
From Russell's 1912 World Tour.
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The Question of the "Great Apostasy" and the Historical Continuity of Christianity
by aqwsed12345 in1. the continuity and visibility of the church.
the true church must be continuous from the apostolic age.
there is no room in christianity for a "gap" or interruption of thousands of years during which true christianity ceased to exist and then was revived in the form of another movement.
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if you expect me to read all of that, you're delusional. Certainly you can defend your religion in a sentence or two. I do not care what "the church" - your religion of choice - teaches. I care what the Bible teaches. The Catholic Church would have been at home in its own temple in ancient Babylon. It's time you find what the Bible actually teaches instead of looking to a religion that rapes children, steals from the poor, teaches falsehood and consorts with criminals.
Are you incapable of accepting the Bible at its word? Are you incapable of writing something succinct?
Your verbal spew is not convincing.
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The Question of the "Great Apostasy" and the Historical Continuity of Christianity
by aqwsed12345 in1. the continuity and visibility of the church.
the true church must be continuous from the apostolic age.
there is no room in christianity for a "gap" or interruption of thousands of years during which true christianity ceased to exist and then was revived in the form of another movement.
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your church has never proclaimed christ's truth. identity as christian most certainly depends on behavior. matthew 7 says so. your church is run by "workers of lawlessnes." hence it is not christian. calling reports of catholic unfaithfulness and lawlessnes myth is moronic. it's escapism.
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Child Sacrifice and Exodus 22:29
by joey jojo inim not a bible scholar - lets just get that out the way first.
i recently came across exodus 22:29, which is an interesting scripture that seems to require israelites to sacrifice their firstborn to god.. i searched this forum and cant seem to find any topic about it so i thought id start one and see what you guys think.
im sure it probably has been discussed here already, but i cant find it.. anyway, exodus 22:29 says:.
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Exodus 13:13 commands them to redeem their firstborn sons. This was done by paying the priests five silver shekels.
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The Question of the "Great Apostasy" and the Historical Continuity of Christianity
by aqwsed12345 in1. the continuity and visibility of the church.
the true church must be continuous from the apostolic age.
there is no room in christianity for a "gap" or interruption of thousands of years during which true christianity ceased to exist and then was revived in the form of another movement.
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Catholic doctrine is not apostolic. So while they may see a centuries long connected chain, it is a connected history of apostasy. The OP's pervious posts defended the Trinity, the veneration of Mary and other such nonsense that all derive from pagan worship. The Catholic church's history of murder and repine - something that continues - shows it to be anything but Christian. It is Christian in name only.
The past century Witnessed the kidnapping and murder of a young woman, a resident of Vatican City; the concordant with Hitler; the compromise of the Catholic Centralist party in Nazi Germany; the hiding of war criminals, financial 'mismanagement'; interference in and threats to Central American states; priestly support for the Argentinian dictatorship; murders and rapes in Catholic run Canadian schools for indigenous children. None of this is Christ - Like behavior. And none of it is new. And similar things continue. Yet, the OP thinks he's part of and defending the one true church. That's deranged thinking.