Posts by notjustyet

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Ethos said: ''the GB have never claimed to have any special ability'' Some WT quotes..

by punkofnice in

(wt 1957 june 15 p. 370) .

watchtower 1957 june 15 p.370 "it is vital that werespond to the directions of the "slave" as we would to the voice of god.

" (wt 1964 june 15 p. 365) .

notjustyet

TO theoldhipie,.

Regarding the age of some of the old quotes that you seem to consider invalid due to the age.

There are tortoises that have lived longer* than the age of some of those quotes you want to dispel.

Besides, I want to bring to your attention that "Evidently then, Jesus meant that these quotes are "overlapping" and we can now use them."

NJY

* Tortoises generally have lifespans comparable with those of human beings, and some individuals are known to have lived longer than 150 years. [5] Because of this, they symbolize longevity in some cultures, such as China. The oldest tortoise ever recorded, and one of the oldest individual animals ever recorded, was Tu'i Malila, which was presented to the Tongan royal family by the British explorer Captain Cook shortly after its birth in 1777. Tui Malila remained in the care of the Tongan royal family until its death by natural causes on May 19, 1965. This means, upon its death, Tui Malila was 188 years old. [6] The record for the longest-lived vertebrate is exceeded only by one other, a koi namedHanako whose death on July 17, 1977 ended a 226-year life span. [7] [dead link]

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Did you feel guilty for not pioneering?

by brokethechain in

i started pioneering the month i finished high school, and never stopped until i awakened, 17 years later.

it seems like the entire time, there was so much emphasis on pioneering.

every field service meeting seemed to have a part that communicated the message that jehovah would zap us at the big a. or people would die because of us if we didn't have extenuating circumstances (i always translated as bad health or kids, but even then, there were always "examples" of the mom with 5 kids that was pioneering).

notjustyet

I auxed 2 times, first time it was the last day of the month and night time and I still needed 1.5 hours to get in. I was watching tv and saw one of those religious shows where there is a bank of people to accept your call for prayer. I called in and spent the next 1.5 hours witnessing to the person on the phone.

They did not even have a bible with them thought that was ironic.

The next time I only got 1.5 hours that month. I was short 58.5 hours and that was the last time I signed up.

NJY

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Nephilim found in the State of Chihuahua

by bats in the belfry in

the broadcaster, july 16, 1925. .

the broadcaster was a four-page, second-class publication, that hoped to reach hundreds of thousands of persons through the mails.

later, this publication was discontinued, because so many failed to reach their destination.

notjustyet

What is the freaking odds of the Nephilim who were taunting the people in the Middle East would all drown, be floating in the water, dead, for over a year and then wind up in a cave in, what is now known as Mexico? I would say that the odds would be as close to impossible as possible.

With Shoulders and arms bent forward, due to the many months of swimming and trying to crawl up the side of the ark.

And wind up in the sitting position at that!!

NJY

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JW Argument: Jehovah is delaying Armageddon as he wants as many people as possible to be saved!!!

by iclone in

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notjustyet

Love that chart.

Possibly the bottom chart should read "Additional Number of innocent People that will Die at Armageddon"

NJY

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Ethos (and all still mentally in): Truth, Tipping Points and Standards

by NeverKnew in

if this is "the truth," why has the information provided over the years contained so many errors?

at what point does "error" become "outright lie" for you?

how high (or low) are your standards for your spiritual leaders?

notjustyet

My tipping point would be the realization that the GB uses Proverbs 4:18 to prevent the Jws from noticing that they (GB) have painted THEMSELVES into a corner. I aked myself if this scripture is a prophecy to show that the GB would get it wrong for over a century? The GB use it as if it prophetic fullfilment of them needing to make changes. Would a God REALLY need to send erroneous information to it's one and only channel on Earth? Why not just send the correct info the first time?

What I'm talking about is the ever changing doctrine regarding the "generation" definition, stand on what blood components we can or can not take, and on and on and on.

Finally I had to realize that I had been convinced to turn my BS alarm to mute over the years by those not wanting me to wake up. Once I mentally viewed things as a person would from outside the JWS it was more clear that I had been indoctrinated to "shelve" things continually that would awaken the average critical thinking individual.

Once you are away for a bit and have time to refect on the changes, issues, etc, you start to gain clarity and ot all falls into place. I was in a high control group. Hard to swallow I'll admit. But required swallowing if you ever want to make it out before death.

NJY

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Can you think of ONE teaching of Jehovah Witnesses that hasn't changed since the religion started?

by Unbrainwashed publisher1 in

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whith this recent fds and gb debacle i cant think of one teaching that they have not altered since this org began?.

notjustyet

Rule 1. " We are never wrong!!"

Rule 2. If we are wrong, see Rule 1

NJY

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The dirty little secret of Watchtower PREACHING WORK you may not know

by Terry in

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here is a dramatic statement: .

notjustyet

Great info.

I have a addional thought about "why" going out in service is useful to the Wtbts.

The more "sever" the initiation, ie; field service, telling teachers, school mates your beliefs and not being able to be involved in holidays and other embarrassing moments that the Jw are subjected to creates dissonance. The way to reduce this dissonance that these embarrassing moments create is by "exaggerating the desirability of the goal" in this case, being a JW.

Here is the paste of the idea behind this.

The Effort-Justification Paradigm

Further information: Effort justification

Dissonance is aroused whenever individuals voluntarily engage in an unpleasant activity to achieve some desired goal. Dissonance can be reduced by exaggerating the desirability of the goal. Aronson & Mills [ 21 ] had individuals undergo a severe or mild "initiation" in order to become a member of a group. In the "mild-initiation" condition, the individuals engaged in an embarrassing activity. The group they joined turned out to be very dull and boring. The individuals in the severe-initiation condition evaluated the group as more interesting than the individuals in the mild-initiation condition.

All of the above paradigms continue to be used in fruitful research.

Washing one's hands has been shown to eliminate post-decisional dissonance, presumably because the dissonance is often caused by moral disgust (with oneself) which is related to disgust from unsanitary conditions. [ 22 ] [ 23 ]

(I had to edit one spot in this wiki poste as they used "severe-initiation" in both examples. I quoted this instance where I changed one of the to " mild- initiation")

Here is the link to the main page of Cognitive Dissonance where the effort justification is located.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance#The_Effort-Justification_Paradigm

I have never seen this thought brought out that service can be used in this regard. Ay thoughts on this?

NJY

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Bible Character Cards on jw.org??

by Scully in

i'm not joking.

this is in the family/children section on jw.org - mary - joshua - daniel - ruth - and more!.

i'm lmao that these are so similar to hockey cards or baseball cards that my siblings and i used to get in trouble for collecting when we were kids.

notjustyet

I did not see that there was a Abraham, ha!

I would consider trading some of mine for some of yours, also mine are printed on photo quality paper, not regular paper.

NJY

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Richard Dawkins had a JW at his door...

by MrFreeze in

here was what he tweeted:.

"just ejected 2 doorstepping jehovah's witnesses, man and boy.

should i regret missing the chance to educate the boy?

notjustyet

Wait,... Richard Dawkins answers his own door?

I think I would be a little more careful about doing that.

NJY

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Bible Character Cards on jw.org??

by Scully in

i'm not joking.

this is in the family/children section on jw.org - mary - joshua - daniel - ruth - and more!.

i'm lmao that these are so similar to hockey cards or baseball cards that my siblings and i used to get in trouble for collecting when we were kids.

notjustyet

I'm waiting for the Abraham one where he is getting ready to cut off Isaacs head.

Can't wait for that one.

Can we send these in and get them signed from the GB, if so, how much do you think they will charge to sign them?

NJY