more ramblings from the recently concluded elders' school.. see the op on this thread for background: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/242491/5/wt-elders-school-the-wts-has-progressed-from-just-plain-stupid-to-dangerously-stupid.
in part of the video mentioned above showing the "goofus" elder trying to handle the situation with the crying sister:.
the "goofus" elder went into the kingdom hall library alone with the sister when she left the auditorium.. you could hear literal, audible, gasps from the 100 or so elders watching the video.. a few moments later, as the sister was crying, "goofus" put out his hand and touched the sister's hand.. again, literal, loud, audible gasps from the audience.. they darkened the room while the video was playing so i couldn't see him, but i have to imagine the co was quite pleased that the audience grasped the "mistakes" that elder goofus was making.. .
He said
"he had gone to sports bar alone to eat dinner, a "worldly girl" had asked to join him, after a few drinks she asked him to "come to her place to see her aquarium", and then she "seduced" him."
And the brother commented "She did not say that exactly, she asked if I wanted to come back and see her "Salt Water Clam" and I mistook that to meen her Salt Water Aquarium, my bad.
NJY
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my wife and i were invited to dinner by a coworker of hers.
Tell her that they are ALL potential studies and that she will hear about it on her part of the assembly.
NJY
share with us memories of the bizarre, funny, strange, what you hated, what you miss...we all have them.
(question..why the big to do between terms- convention and assembly .
I would think it would be funny to bring some "buck lure" into a DC or CA and drop it under the stands somehow. People would have to leave the place as the smell is too strong to endure for most.
Anyone,.. anyone?
NJY
if jehovah can read hearts then why did he test abraham by ordering him to kill his son ?.
Here is a link to a youtube video (animation) showing how ludicrous this teat is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYvcc8ui3CM
Don't know how to imbed it properly.
NJY
watch this video, posted on jw.org.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jjvxobvi5a.
here is my article in response.... http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/is-watchtower-60-million-away-from-liquidation.
looking forward to hearing your thoughts!.
Great article on your site.
Just below the WTBTS video you have a "my" and think you meant a "by" FYI
I would imagine that with all the varying corporations that they kept the USA entities out of the thought about being damaged to the point where it would put them it of business. I think that they would have used just the France corporations. No evidence here but making an assumption based on how they
would work.
NJY
my father had me go with him to do a study, and the guy looked like he's a pretty smart guy, and he was asking legitimate questions that i had my own answers to, but of course i couldn't say them.. i'm wondering if anyone has successfully been able to convince/warn anyone that they're getting sucked into a cult.
i wanted to just secretly slip him a note, but i'm always scared to do that from fear of the person throwing me under the bus.
then i got the idea of sending him a text message from a number that can't be traced back to me.
If you do get to send a pamphlet of some other contact, be sure to add that you are having to contact them under an "alias" due to this being a High Control Group. Then let them know that if the cult members found out who sent the info to him that you would be shunned by family and friends.
I would send some info about Steven Hassans site that shows the Jw are listed as a high control group and also some info about the BITE model.
I would opt for a special email account so that he can ask questions and get answers back and forth where as a pamphlet would be more one way with no way to share more info.
Let us know what you decide to do as I always wanted to be involved with getting someone out like.
NJY
jw's claim to be god-fearing, faithful, spiritual people with a unique special personal relationship with god (jehovah).. yet, so much of what they do is just fro show, an outward appearance of holiness and faithfulness:.
) shunning- an organization-sanctioned shunning policy publicly "outs" the shunned and puts pressure on members to cary out the shunning.
why is this necessary if they truly have faith in god and that he sees all and nothing is hidden from his view?
I think that the ration is 1/10 of 1% makes it that much funnier.
NJY
yeah...it was wrong.
i got upset and blurted this truth.
seems kinda screwy that telling someone a truth could be wrong.
Phrases that might be said,
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new light
independent thinking
imperfect men but a perfect organization
The world or worldly
the truth
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others may be able to add more
I would also try to look this thread up and read #6 of the first post regarding loaded language and thought stopping phrases.
NJY
i just thought i'd amuse myself by seeing what madness awaits in the new 2013 yearbook.. you might like to read some of the gems i've uncovered.... .
"true christians are soon to cross into the promised new world, so they need to be courageous and strong.
how soon are we talking about?
"When Nihad greeted him, the man said: “Excuse me, I noticed a magazine in your car with the title, ‘How to Be a Good Father.’ I would really like to have a copy." (From an article entitled "The Title Intrigued Him," page 65)
I would be glad to give you a copy but first let me ask "Wasn't that magazine located in my locked glove box?" Another question "Are you possibly related to a person I read about in the 60s who was burgling a house and hid under the homeowners bed and when they heard her praying before bedtime he felt gods spirit flowing through him, but not enough to not steal her bible and then learn the truth and then years later he heard this sisters experience about having her bible stolen by a burglar and realized it was he who stole her bible and approcahed her during the intermission and they both ran at each other, in slow motion, and embraced each other slowly spinning while holding her up off the ground saying out loud "Sister, Sister, my lovely Sister, im one of you now!!" Were you related to that person or are you a made up story just like he was?
NJY
yeah...it was wrong.
i got upset and blurted this truth.
seems kinda screwy that telling someone a truth could be wrong.
Before your meeting buy some index cards and write certain JW phrases on them that you think he will say when you questions his
involvment in a CULT.
Then when he uses those phrases, just pull them out and show him that you knew that he would give that answer. Also possibly state that he might feel light headed and or angry even though you are 2 adults discussing an adult topic and how this is another "click" to show that he might be in a cult.
I personally would use the phrase "High Control Group" initially. The thought I'm trying to share is to write down things ahead of time that you think he would say, to show him that "this is what members of HCG say" when they are asked if they are members of a HCG.
I would also educate myself ahead of time with Steven Hassans definition of a Cult or HCG to show that it is not "specific beliefs" that determine of a person is in a HCG, since there are SO many varibles to consider, but that it is how the Group controls the individual.
Look up the BITE model at Freedomofmind.com if you have not yet. I would also explain that it is not only religion, but business, political etc groups who use these same methods to "corral" their members.
There is a thread somewhere, possibly here, where someone has taken the BITE model and compared it to the WTBTS methods so it makes it easy to see that the WTBTS is using the same methods used by other HCG.
Hope some of this helps.
NJY
