Posts by iloowy.goowy

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SECRET RECORDING 14TH APRIL:RALPH WALLS: MORE CHANGES ARE COMING!

by raymond frantz in

secret recording 14th april:ralph walls: more changes are coming!.

( broadcasted to all british congregations today).

https://youtu.be/owg4bqj7pd0?si=yvfpkkos_qoy9u10.

iloowy.goowy

Still using the red Revelations Climax book, oy vey iz mir! The spirit of Freddy Franz may have inspired that outline or maybe Nathir Saleh'z ghost.

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How the Society can change anything they want

by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

it's been a long time since i last posted here.

however in light of recent changes i have thought a bit about things and have come to the conclusion that the society might.

.. use the "evil slave" argument.

iloowy.goowy

Given the videos idolizing Rutherford, I don't believe this current GB would be ready to drop him, much less Freddy Franz, their Bethel Oracle of decades.

What I believe may continue to take place is more vitriol for apostates and warnings to stay away from negative information.

The b0rg is bleeding membership but there was a time in when common medical practice was to bleed the body, apply leaches and use maggots to eat at dying flesh. The GB are leeches and maggots, operating in the 1800s, they'll bleed the membership and try to destroy dissenters to keep their 0rganization under control.

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What exactly IS 1914 these days?

by Halcon in

it's no longer a year tying to the present (the old pre-1995 generation belief).

realistically, that's the only reason why it mattered.

and if it doesn't really matter what it is anymore, why would jw not do away with it?.

iloowy.goowy

Because their supposed spiritual aurhority hangs on the related date of 1919. If there is no invisible return in 1914 then there is no inspection and being chosen as the FDS in 1919, and so they would not be in charge of the 0rganization.

...edited to say I just saw Vanderhoven7 beat me to the answer. Kudos!

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This verses will get you disfellowshipped in 2024

by raymond frantz in

https://youtu.be/cefnvubzxce?si=edha3qmax4fxlwqq.

everyone who pushes ahead and does not remain in the teaching of the christ does not have god.

the one who does remain in this teaching is the one who has both the father and the son.

iloowy.goowy

Eric Wilson from Beroean Pickets uses this same verse to kick out people from his Zoom study sessions

It doesn't surprise. Give an exJW elder some power over other people and especially telling them what they "should" believe and it will turn out badly.

Jim Penton is always talking about freedom in Christ so It's not surprising they would jump all over him and not let him even comment. But I believe Eric Wilson invited him back since he needed Jim's publishing house, Hart Publishers to get his book "Shutting the door to the Kingdom of God" published. But if he doesn't need you and you disagree with his revised Watchtower teachings, forgeddabout it, he shuns worse than the JW 0rganization.

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This verses will get you disfellowshipped in 2024

by raymond frantz in

https://youtu.be/cefnvubzxce?si=edha3qmax4fxlwqq.

everyone who pushes ahead and does not remain in the teaching of the christ does not have god.

the one who does remain in this teaching is the one who has both the father and the son.

iloowy.goowy

Wrong. I say that. Israel has been filled

Care to explain???

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The TWO new things to come this year for J.W Org !

by Phizzy in

while having my first strong black coffee of the day, i was thinking about what may be to come next as the org.

rapidly goes mainstream, and this is what i came up with :.

1) they will introduce for sunday, the after meeting fellowship, a time for just chatting but with the added bonus of coffee and snacks.

iloowy.goowy

Nope, ain't gonna happen, although I'd be delighted if it did. The problem is that it does nothing for Momma 0rganization, but could turn into problems. They now own and insure the Kingdom Hall from Warwick so they'd shy aeay from any liability that could develop. The blood thing if cha he'd could turn into many wrongful death cases popping up, so that they'll be leaving as is in a sort of limbo self-disassociation for the foreseeable future. Nevertheless, this GB is not what others were in the past and could have a few more surprises up its sleeve.

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Trickle or flood?

by joey jojo in

now that some reasonably big changes have occurred in a short time frame, whats next?

will the gb let the dust settle for a bit, or will they keep dropping bombs this year?.

iloowy.goowy

They did warn about not freaking out about decisions which would seem ridonkulous from a human perspective, of course I paraphrase for perceived understanding

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If the org. Is being advised by consultants, is a name change in the works?

by nowwhat? in

let's be honest, there's a stigma to the name jehovah's witness.

if they are going more mainstream.

i imagine the first recommendation was a name change.

iloowy.goowy

The name makes them special and clearly differentiates them from other Christian groups. There would need to be further reason to differentiate and a strong man heavy handed leader to make that change as Rutherford did to differentiate his organization from the other Bible Student groups. The current Governing Body doesn't have the cojones of Rutherford. And there aren't any strong off-shoot groups to the level of forcing their hand. The offshoot groups in Europe and Africa are small and don't pose much of a challenge.

If these and future changes cause a big exodus, then there may be a name change, sort of like the CoG Armstrong becoming the Grace Communion International.

But this doesn't seem likely to me just yet. I believe the situation would need to be worse before a name change would take place.

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The History and Impact of Disfellowshipping and Shunning (Dr. M. James Penton)

by iloowy.goowy in

the history and impact of disfellowshipping and shunning (dr. m. james penton).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwdv1-apzlc.

the history and impact of disfellowshipping and shunning: a jehovah's witness inquisition by dr. m. james penton, 2003. recording of a discourse delivered at the " out of the watchtower - into christ" convention of former jehovah's witnesses in england and wales, where he discusses how the watchtower evolved its doctrine on disfellowshipping and shunning by twisting scripture, and the impact this has had on many watchtower victims.

iloowy.goowy

The History and Impact of Disfellowshipping and Shunning (Dr. M. James Penton)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWdv1-apzlc

The History and Impact of Disfellowshipping and Shunning: A Jehovah's Witness Inquisition by Dr. M. James Penton, 2003. Recording of a discourse delivered at the " Out of The Watchtower - into Christ" convention of former Jehovah's Witnesses in England and Wales, where he discusses how the Watchtower evolved its doctrine on disfellowshipping and shunning by twisting scripture, and the impact this has had on many Watchtower victims. Dr. Penton also provides great insights into the Watchtowers early leadership.

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The Firefly Minister

by iloowy.goowy in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcoikaci9i4.

from ron frye, 2014. when i was a child, my parents and i visited one of my mother's sisters and her family in bloomington, indiana.

one warm evening l remember experiencing the joy of seeing hundreds and hundreds of tiny luminous insects punctuating the night sky.

iloowy.goowy

Here's another video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAdLccBE_js

Have you ever seen a full-grown elephant weighing thousands of pounds chained to a small stake in the ground when you visited a circus? Did it ever enter your mind and make you wonder how such a small stake in the ground could hold such a huge animal from straying outside the boundaries of the length of its chain and stake? The answer to this question is ~ the elephant’s mind was conditioned.
It is the custom of trainers when they are assigned to a young elephant for its training to fasten one of its legs with a strong chain that is then affixed to a deeply planted stake. The young elephant will instinctively and repeatedly try to break free, but all its efforts fail. As time passes, the young elephant accepts the fact that it is impossible for him to go beyond the limitation of its staked chain, so it gives up and it becomes a prisoner of its mind. At this point of its life, the elephant need no longer be chained to a deeply planted stake. Any stake and chain will now do. Even as it matures into a full-grown elephant it remains a prisoner of its conditioned mind.
Is it possible for a human being to, likewise, become a prisoner of their mind? Yes, it is! To some degree we all become conditioned to what we have been taught and have accepted as truth. This is especially true in our religious beliefs. When we first become seriously associated with a church or religious organization, it is at that stage that we begin to become conditionally chained to that particular belief system. This is especially dangerous if the teachings are not based on the pure word of God, but rather on man-made interpretations. As time passes, the mind begins to accept these beliefs and we become deeply entrenched in their life. This is sometimes described as being religiously shackled or being in spiritual bondage.
How is this mind conditioning accomplished? There are many ways, we will name a few. When studies are geared to a man’s book and questions are discouraged by the leader with words such as, “just set that aside for now, and as we move along it will explain itself”; when the reading of other religious material is discouraged on the premise that such views might be erroneous and deceptive; when attending any other group’s religious services are looked upon as being unfaithful and one is made to feel guilty; when someone misses church meetings and they are questioned about where they were; when guilty feelings and fears are planted in the mind of its group by the leadership; when the leadership controls the activities of its members; when a leader states that his teachings are based not only on Jesus, but additionally on something else that has been revealed to them by God which they are now privileged to share with the household of faith; when rules of conduct and dress are insisted upon in order to be accepted; or works are stressed as a sign of one’s worthiness in God’s eyes ~ we should see a red flag go up!
Anything or anyone who attempts to take away our freedom to choose should immediately be recognized as a danger signal. Many will try to talk others into following their way. But, there is only one safe way. Jesus tells us this in John 14:6 (NIV), “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” In John 8:31-32, 36 (NIV) Jesus makes it very clear about the Way we must take to be truly free. “To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” “So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.”
Note that Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are my disciples.” If all Christians held only to Jesus’ teachings, we would not have the myriad religious denominations or sects. We would have but one unified and harmonious body all looking to their Head, Jesus Christ, for guidance at all times and in all things. Why is this deception so prevalent? One of the reasons and main causes is that Satan is still deceiving many as he has done successfully for thousands of years. Perhaps God has allowed this as a test of loyalty to His Son during this time when the bride of Christ is being selected and developed as born-again new creatures.
How do we allow the Lord to accomplish the work that He has begun in us? Obedience to His will is the answer (Philippians. 2:12-13). It is essential to know what God’s will is for us. We have been given the Holy Spirit to shape and guide our thinking as we ponder the Word of God. For this to happen we must be continually searching the Scriptures prayerfully while allowing the Holy Spirit to enlighten our understanding. 1 John 2:27 (NIV) tells us, “As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him.” The easy way is to follow man’s teachings which is the herd instinct; but this is not God’s way. The Apostle Paul commends the brethren at Berea for not merely taking his word, but that they checked his teachings with Scripture (Acts 17:11). Then again he admonishes everyone in 1 Thessalonians 5:21 (NAS), “Examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.” Finally we read in Galatians 5:1 (NAS), “It was for freedom that Christ set us free, therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery.” Liberty, in Christ, is a precious gift!
E. Weeks ©CDMI