It is now officially in writing. The Elders can no longer give a 'tongue lashing' to married couples engaged in sexual foreplay that they themselves might disapprove of.
DisgruntledFool
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WATCHTOWER IS WATERING DOWN BEDROOM SURVEILLANCE?
by raymond frantz inhttps://youtu.be/hwzly3fnpdo?si=0p8zd0_9a-lwtb_9.
the study article 2 from the january 2025 watchtower study edition titled “husbands, honor your wife” represents a marked shift from the earlier, stricter watchtower stance on marital intimacy among jehovah’s witnesses.
this article’s language feels more relaxed, with paragraph 17 and its footnote stating, “the bible does not provide details as to what sexual practices between a husband and a wife should be considered clean or unclean.
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Elder's manual or similar from early to mid 1960s re sexual abuse issue
by Lee Marsh ini am looking for any information given to elders during the early to mid 1960s on how to deal with child sexual abuse within the congregation.
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it could be in letters or in some version of an elder's handbook or a letter to the elders that specifies how elder were to deal with the issue of sexual abuse within the congregation; not going to elders, silence about the issue, how to handle it with the minor and the accused.. if there was any direction to the elders that precedes this time period that would work too..
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DisgruntledFool
I'd be interested in that, also. My mother brought a family into the religion in the early 1960's and it was an open secret that the father was molesting his oldest daughter. He was never disfellowshipped or reproved and could go out in service and be involved in the ministry school.
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1/25 WT: Oral and Anal sex are a go - if she's ok with it
by neat blue dog inhe will not pressure her to engage in sexual acts that make her feel uncomfortable, that are demeaning, or that bother her conscience..... the bible does not provide details as to what sexual practices between a husband and a wife should be considered clean or unclean.
a christian couple must make decisions that reflect their resolve to honor jehovah, to please each other, and to maintain a clean conscience.
generally speaking, a couple would not discuss with others this intimate aspect of their marriage..
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DisgruntledFool
Flip the narrative. What if the woman in the relationship craves cunnilingus and/or fellatio? Nothing in the article approaches the subject from her perspective. Typical male dominated myopic theocratic Watchtower reasoning. Most men, especially religious ones, are loathe to admit that some women have a higher and stronger sex drive than they do and if given the chance she could 'wring her husband out like a washtowel' and come right back for more.
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1/25 WT: Oral and Anal sex are a go - if she's ok with it
by neat blue dog inhe will not pressure her to engage in sexual acts that make her feel uncomfortable, that are demeaning, or that bother her conscience..... the bible does not provide details as to what sexual practices between a husband and a wife should be considered clean or unclean.
a christian couple must make decisions that reflect their resolve to honor jehovah, to please each other, and to maintain a clean conscience.
generally speaking, a couple would not discuss with others this intimate aspect of their marriage..
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DisgruntledFool
Beards, cunning linguists and tossed salad...WOW. There is going to be a lot of smirks, smiles and contented, knowing looks at the Morning Worship tables at Bethels around the world coming from both men and women!
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NEW LIGHT ON THE 144,000 EXPLAINED
by raymond frantz inhttps://youtu.be/heulwyd00ku?si=9az0zrsquy67v74g.
the watchtower’s approach to "new light" is, frankly, a masterclass in manipulation.
when they introduce a new interpretation or change their teachings, it's presented as a revelation, showcasing just how guided and spiritually in-tune the governing body is.
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DisgruntledFool
The Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses has no respect for their flock and seems to take them as a bunch of idiots and stooges. Jackson knows full well what the teaching about the Anointed was in the past. "the remaining members of the anointed remnant of Christ's followers were gathered in, particularly until 1931-1935." -The WATCHTOWER March 1, 1968 pg 147. As Nathan Knorr was fond of saying in the last years of his life :"THERE ARE NO NEW REMNANT!" The Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses is made up of FAKERS, FOOLS, FRAUDS AND FUCKUPS. Thus it has always been, thus it shall always be.
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"Brother Jodie jenelle began his bethel service in in 1990....."
by nowwhat? inbut what they don't say he left started and ran a real estate company and a global real estate consulting firm and apparently after making a fortune come back to bethel a few years ago.
how in the hell could a non lifer now be anointed and appointed to be a gb member.
sure can't be for his spiritual qualifications!.
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DisgruntledFool
Blondie, I asked myself that exact question. "The history of Jehovah's organized people today shows that, particularly since 1879, the organization's visible governing body has been connected with or identified with the legal corporation, the Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society, incorporated in the State of Pennsylvania in the year 1884. This legal corporation has its principle publishing house and Branch office in Brooklyn, New York, now. It is merely a legal servant and a publishing agency for the earth-wide society of Jehovah's anointed remnant." - The WATCHTOWER December 1, 1947 pg 363. So the BUSINESS end of the religion was run by the governing body of its day. (Anyone with any long history with this organization knows that the theological interpretations promoted by Jehovah's Witnesses have been limited to a few individuals such as Russell, Rutherford and Franz and that any so-called governing body members had little input into Bible interpretation and the creation of doctrine and dogma.) And then, as you point out, in 1971 things changed organizationally with the separation of the legal corporation from the newly minted Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses. The Governing Body since 1971 has been focused on 'spiritual things' while the day to day business operations were handed over to others. Now with the appointment of Jody Jenelle to the Governing Body it seems possible that they will be comingling the theological and business aspects of the religion so they can have complete control of the 'spiritual' and secular arms of the religion.
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LEAKED ANNUAL MEETING VIDEO :EXPECT SUDDEN CHANGES: JEFFREY JACKSON
by raymond frantz inhttps://youtu.be/uxqqyrrffow?si=wo0jotyvjg76oljk.
well that's sort of related to the next talk on our program brother jeffrey jackson will discuss the theme don't be surprised by sudden changes, brother jeff you have our.
attention well i'm sure we all agree with this fact in recent years there have been a lot of changes even since the last annual meeting there have been many changes some of them perhaps are a little surprising or may seem to be sudden but you know brothers and sisters when we look back on how these changes have come we can see that jehovah has gradually prepared us for each of these adjustments and changes let's review some of the recent changes we've had what changes have we seen with regard to our understand understanding of bible teachings at the 2021 annual meeting we received an adjusted understanding of john 529 it was explained that the resurrection of judgment will not be a judgment of condemnation rather it will be more like a period of probation the unrighteous mentioned at acts 24:15 will have an opportunity to gain everlasting life but their names will not be written wr in the book of life at the time of their resurrection to have their names eventually written in that book these ones will need to respond positively to the great educational work that will take place during the thousand-year reign then at the annual meeting in 2023 we gained enhanced insight into what we do know and what we don't know concerning jehovah's judgments we learned that the door of opportunity for people to take a stand for the kingdom does not shut when the great tribulation starts with the destruction of false religion at that time perhaps some will be like the egyptians in moses day who took a last minute stand and joined the exodus of god's people at the same annual meeting we adjusted our views with regard to jehovah's judgments of those who died in the flood and those who were destroyed in sodom and gomorrah also at that annual meeting an adjustment was made regarding the reporting of our time and activity in our preaching work instead of focusing on reports we try to make good use of every opportunity to witness then we receive the 2024 governing body update number two in that update we saw the need to adjust how we interact with those who have committed serious sins and have been removed from the congregation what other major adjustments have we recently seen in our preaching work the emphasis now is on studing bible studies and making disciples not on distributing literature to that end the focus is on studying meaningful conversations not just on using memorized presentations were you surprised by these adjustments perhaps so but as we look back we see how one adjustment in understanding gradually helped us with the next adjustment isn't it true that gradually jehovah has prepared us and when we look back on it we see how logical this training has been to refine our understanding but events in the world likewise have changed it's true sometimes in the world you have sudden changes for example the pandemic but often times change in the world is gradual isn't it true with regard to the view of morality homosexuality abortion even what's acceptable and not acceptable with regard to conduct all of that has happened gradually in the world and it's not until you look back and see how different the world is today with regard to those matters that we see that there have been a lot of changes but this can be dangerous because as things gradually change we may get used to gradual change and forget that there are some sudden changes about to occur uh let's take our bibles please and if you turn with me to the book of luke chap 21 now this is an example of sudden change in luke chap 21 uh notice there in verse 34 the words of our lord jesus are recorded and he said in verse 34 but pay attention to yourselves that your hearts never become weighed down with oving and heavy drinking and anxieties of life and suddenly suddenly that they be instantly instantly upon you it's interesting to note that jesus had already said that this day he was referring to would occur at a time that we don't think is likely so what lesson do we learn from what jesus said it's a warning isn't it that we can't just sit back and think well things are gradually going to develop we know which way it's going and maybe it's not going to happen yet you know got a little bit more wiggle room there with regard to the schedule but you see that's dangerous thinking now what we're going to do is consider two examples of areas where perhaps we could be a little guilty with regard to that for example our view as with regard to the number of anointed ones remaining on the earth now for many years what did we think we thought well that number would go down and down and down and down now i don't know about you but me i you when that report came out just how many how many partakers and and what were we thinking we probably you maybe we didn't say it but we were thinking you know the number will go down down down down and there'll be just a couple of old guys in a wheelchair who will get their reward well i'm exaggerating but that was sort of the feeling wasn't it but now what have we seen in recent years those numbers have gone up and up and not only that younger brothers have been appointed on the governing body now i know what you're all thinking two new ones how old are they we know you're not googling now but you will be but you see we need to be careful about what we're thinking with regard to the number of anointed ones left on earth you see 19 years ago i was appointed on the governing body even i thought i was too young now they tell me i'm not so young anymore but do we see the point what does the bible actually tell us with regard to this well it doesn't say the number would just dwindle down to just having a few uh older ones left no the great crowd of other sheep will be judged on the basis of how they deal with
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DisgruntledFool
To me, it seems that Jackson now holds the official designation of "Gaslighter in Chief" of the Governing Body. With his folksy 'aw shucks' way of speaking he slyly denigrates past doctrine and ideas. And the sheep gleefully go along with the charade and gulp down current Governing Body foolishness with alacrity. I've said it before and I will say it again: The Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses is made up of FAKERS, FOOLS, FRAUDS and FUCKUPS. Thus it has always been and thus it will always be.
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2024*S*147**A&R
by Atlantis ina&r means announcements and reminders.. 2024**s*147. here:.
https://pdfhost.io/v/diikuykdl_untitled_1 .
petra!
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DisgruntledFool
"The young today are heavily besieged from all sides for their support and contribution of service and strength." - The Watchtower Nov. 15, 1945 pg 339. Doesn't this sound familiar? Everything old is new again!
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"Brother Jodie jenelle began his bethel service in in 1990....."
by nowwhat? inbut what they don't say he left started and ran a real estate company and a global real estate consulting firm and apparently after making a fortune come back to bethel a few years ago.
how in the hell could a non lifer now be anointed and appointed to be a gb member.
sure can't be for his spiritual qualifications!.
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DisgruntledFool
Here is another problem I have with the 'fractional god' Jody Jedele: As a Bethelite and especially as a member of the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses he has signed a vow of poverty to the Special Full Time Order of Jehovah's Witnesses (Or whatever they call it now). He is not allowed ANY income outside of his Bethel stipend and therefore does not pay federal income tax or pay in to the social security system. He sold 2 of his houses for a total of $375,000.00 in 2019 and retains ownership in HIS NAME of another house in North Carolina worth $304,300.00. Double standard, anyone? Some of you ex-Bethelites here from the old days can remember certain old timers left over from Rutherford's day that were bitter and penniless but stayed because they had no where else to go. If Jody has all his assets in a blind trust and makes a relative the beneficiary, who is to say that that relative does not draw off some of the money and then give it to Jody in cash...no need to let the government know since Jody does not file income tax because of his vow of poverty. Or perhaps he didn't sign the vow of poverty and pays income tax. Either way, something is 'rotten in Denmark'.
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"Brother Jodie jenelle began his bethel service in in 1990....."
by nowwhat? inbut what they don't say he left started and ran a real estate company and a global real estate consulting firm and apparently after making a fortune come back to bethel a few years ago.
how in the hell could a non lifer now be anointed and appointed to be a gb member.
sure can't be for his spiritual qualifications!.
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DisgruntledFool
According to Ancestry.com Jody has lived at Wallkill, Patterson and two separate addresses in North Carolina from 1992-2020. He was born in October 1970...that would mean that he was 4 years old when I was at Bethel. What a fucking joke and embarrassment to any Jehovah's Witness with one operating brain cell left! This religious charlatan was in diapers when Nathan Knorr was ranting and raving that "there are no new remnant!!!!!" I heard that out of Knorr's mouth on more than one occasion.