Hi all, Yes, I do feel better. Today it is 10 days after the operation and I think there is progress every day. The stitches will hopefully be removed on Wednesday because then I will go back the hospital for a check up. Otherwise I feel quite all right. Now it just to brace ourself for the winter here. Take care Yall Norm
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by Dansk inour dear friend from norway, norman hovland, is to go into hospital tomorrow, thursday 18 october, for a small operation.
here's to norm - a real thorn in watchtower's side!
thinking of you always, mate!.
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Misery and death
by Norm inhardly anything seem to fill the writing staff in brooklyn with such joy and gleeful anticipation as the potential for a good old disaster, something that may kill untold billions of people in a very short time and cause a fertile ground for more superstition and mumbo jumbo.. the december 22, 2005 issue of awake!
magazine is an excellent example of this when it asks the question: can it happen again?
i found this in the norwegian edition.forever on the lookout for doom and gloom and signs of the end brooklyn ever roaming eye is attracted to everything that has the potential to spell death and destruction to mankind, the worse it is the better it is to brooklyn.. this time (as so many times before), it is the possible emergence of a superflu like the influenza pandemic that swept the world in 1918, which these morons with their far fetched insane ideas think was foretold in the bible.
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Hardly anything seem to fill the writing staff in Brooklyn with such joy and gleeful anticipation as the potential for a good old disaster, something that may kill untold billions of people in a very short time and cause a fertile ground for more superstition and mumbo jumbo.
The December 22, 2005 issue of Awake! Magazine is an excellent example of this when it asks the question: “Can it happen again?” I found this in the Norwegian edition.Forever on the lookout for doom and gloom and “signs” of the “end” Brooklyn ever roaming eye is attracted to everything that has the potential to spell death and destruction to mankind, the worse it is the better it is to Brooklyn.
This time (as so many times before), it is the possible emergence of a “superflu” like the influenza pandemic that swept the world in 1918, which these morons with their far fetched insane ideas think was foretold in the Bible. What Brooklyn seems to enjoy more then anything was that that pandemic back then apparently mostly killed was people between 20 and 40, oh if we could have that happen again, what joy! And you know what, science was baffled and helpless, can it get any better then that?
Furthermore to the immense delight of Brooklyn some scientist doing research has been able to dig up victims of that flu in the permafrost in Alaska and Spitzbergen and identify the virus that killed so many people back then. Then follows several pages where the writer with visible excitement and satisfaction goes through how threatening and deadly viruses are and how great the potential threat such future pandemics are.
The article follows the usual pattern of painting a dark and gloomy future for mankind and at the end of the second section they quote someone they call a “respected American authority” which is supposed to have said: “To put it simple, with each passing year we get closer to the next pandemic.” Not a word about who this authority is of course.
Then we get the usual question, “Does this mean that the future is dark and that we are we are without hope? No”After having started the last part of the article with darkening the future threat of a deadly influenza pandemic further to get the reader in the right mood the magazine launches into la la land full steam with the usual idiotic fantasy pictures of insanely grinning “happy” women in cotton dresses accessorized with fruit/flower basket. Also with manly men in polo shirts playing with children etc, all in a lovely landscape what with snowcapped peaks on the horizon and whatnot. Then they move in for the kill with the usual incredible nonsense about “like the days of Noah”. The incredible bloodbath they all pray and hope for are sanitized and stripped of all blood and gore using the description the “present world order will end”. Then the article asks what life the “survivors” can expect? Nothing is of course mentioned that Brooklyn thinks those will be far less the one percent if the entire mankind. Then after a few more lines offering among other the usual standard out of context bullshit ranting better known as “revelation”. It is quite telling that after having used 98% two measly paragraphs are used on this “good” stuff.
Another thing that is always completely missing from such articles in any Watchtower literature is any discussion about all these horrible diseases caused by viruses. Viruses is really amazing as they can actually be perfectly explained by applying “Darwinian” thinking.
In viruses we can observe evolution at work. Viruses are immensely complex and evolve all the time. It is really comic but people who do not “believe” in evolution should really put their money where their mouth is and use 10 year old virus vaccines because according to them evolution is bullshit.And of course such complicated buggers and viruses must be designed, don’t you think? And who else can design them then the “Great designer?” Of course God has designed the viruses, e-coli, bacteria erc. After all he is almighty. Isn’t it wonderful to be so loved folks? Isn't it strange that the solution to all problems facing mankind always seem to involve killing as much people as possible?
Norm
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Dishonorable mention
by Norm intoday to my surprise i found my name mentioned on a cesnur site.
it is authored by some john b. brown.
anyone know who this guy is?.
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Today to my surprise I found my name mentioned on a Cesnur site. It is authored by some John B. Brown. Anyone know who this guy is?
http://www.cesnur.org/2006/sd_brown.htm
There they say: "Anticult activists such as Norman Hovland allege that the Jehovah’s Witnesses leaders are or will be responsible for torture, genocide and other forms of degrading treatment.[i]"Quite a spin on what I have actually written about these matters. Either the guy is dishonest of dumb. JW leaders are no doubt violating human rights as freedom of speech, freedom of religion etc. They are no doubt responsible for psychical torture with their DF and shunning policy. Although they probably won't go out and physically kill anyone they do promote and fervently wait for wish and pray for a bloodbath that will make the atrocities of Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot look like a picnic. But of course they rely on their homicidal maniac god to do the real dirty work. Well, the site do contain the urls although not as clicable links so you can all see for yourself what I have actually said.
Norm
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New Watchtower - Who is the Antichrist?
by TheKings ini admit to being curious as soon as i saw this new bit of propoganda put on the dining room table 'casually' in my view by my mother.
i know i can't look at any of the magazines without being questioned why...so i took a look while i had some private time.. what a fine lot of manure... :p. .
they must be getting scared in brooklyn.
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Well folks. Don't want to sound presumptuous here, but the Antichrist is me. Norm
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NORM'S OPERATION!
by Dansk inour dear friend from norway, norman hovland, is to go into hospital tomorrow, thursday 18 october, for a small operation.
here's to norm - a real thorn in watchtower's side!
thinking of you always, mate!.
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Wow! Thanks to you all for showing such concern.
I had a suspicious tumor removed from immediately under my left ear.
Discovered it in July and didn't think much of it but went to the doctor to get an opinion. He sent me to ultrasound and the
doctor that did that sent me to get a MR. Next thing I knew I was called in to be examined by a specialist and he immediately
decided to remove it. Said if it wasn't malignant it would become so if left alone. So on last thursday I had surgery, lasted 6 hours according to the doctor. Incision from the front of my left ear down my neck and curves toward the throath. Removed two spit glands and the lymph nodes. According to the doctor the procedure takes a long time because there is a lot of nerves situated in that area, among them the facial nerve and a nerve going to the shoulder, also the nerves for the ear. The ear nerve had to be sacrificed because of its location in the middle of the tumorSo now I look (more then usual) like something out of a Frankenstein movie, stitching and all. A bit swollen and such and has to eat painkillers because it is really painful to chew but in a couple of weeks I should be better. The tissue taken away is sent to a lab so I will get the results about the nature of the cells in the tumor in the beginning of next month.
Take care yall,
Norm
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Indisputable/physical facts
by Norm inin the bizarre world that exists within the watchtower society headquarters in brooklyn you can find all kinds of strange statements.
particularly funny is the use of the expressions indisputable/physical facts.
these are the words the writing department uses when they have absolutely zero arguments for something.
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In the bizarre world that exists within the Watchtower Society headquarters in Brooklyn you can find all kinds of strange statements. Particularly funny is the use of the expressions “indisputable/physical facts.” These are the words the writing department uses when they have absolutely zero arguments for something. Let us look at some of these masterpieces from Brooklyn.
*** w50 7/1 204 Steps Toward Life ***
In the Bible are the indisputable facts that prove that death is the result of sin,which comes upon all men by inheritance; that to Jehovah God belongs salvation; that the greatest crisis of all time is at hand, when the wicked will be destroyed at Armageddon and when those who seek righteousness and meekness may be spared in that great disaster; that salvation from death, and life forever in happiness, are open to the obedient ones; and that therefore a great emergency now confronts those who shall form the “great multitude”.As we can see from the above quote Brooklyn like their fundamentalist “brothers” have absolutely no clue what an indisputable fact or proof is. To claim that the Bible contain “indisputable facts” without corroborative evidence is an extremely silly claim to make. Yet this is the order of the day in the Watchtower magazine. Like most other religious, who deal in superstition and the unseen, everything seems to come true merely because someone claim it is. It also seems to help a whole lot if it is several thousand years since it allegedly happened. That seems to be the only criteria for truth or facts in these societies. Take a look at this example from the Watchtower:
*** w94 2/15 16 "Tell Us, When Will These Things Be?" ***
Jehovah’s Witnesses are pleased to provide proof of this, showing how the physical facts of our day fulfill Bible prophecy.In reality Jehovah's Witnesses during the 100 + years they have existed have to this day never presented any such “proof” at all. It is just a load of hot air. Take a look at these examples:
*** w94 3/15 25 He Realized His Heart's Desire ***
The Christian Greek Scriptures and physical facts have since borne out that the Messiah, Jesus Christ, is the true light of the nations, the One to remove the veil of spiritual darkness and bring salvation to the people.*** w83 2/1 31 The "Kingdom Unity" District Conventions ***
In fact this unity was foretold at Isaiah 52:8, in these words: “Listen! Your own watchmen have raised their voice. In unison they keep crying out joyfully; for it will be eye into eye that they will see when Jehovah gathers back Zion.” The physical facts show that the gathering back of Zion began in 1919.*** w81 3/15 18 Women-May They Be "Ministers"? ***
This prophecy had its initial fulfillment when the Jewish exiles, as a composite or national group, returned from ancient Babylon. However, as can be seen from the physical facts and in keeping with Romans 15:4 these words are having a modern fulfillment upon spiritual Israelites. (Gal. 6:16) They were in spiritual captivity to “Babylon the Great” during World War I, and were set free shortly thereafter, with the symbolic fall of that world empire of false religion.Not surprisingly the Watchtower produced make believe and fantasy “facts” that show almost anything, some times these “facts” show that the same thing happened at two different dates, and that both dates are “indisputable”. An example of this is Jesus “second presence” and his “enthronement”:
The indisputable facts, therefore, show that the "time of the end" began in 1799; that the Lord's second presence began in 1874.The Watchtower, March 1, 1922.
According to the Watchtower from 1922, “indisputable facts” showed that Jesus “second presence” began in 1874! In 1951 and 1954, “physical facts” showed that his “second presence” began i 1914!. Incredible how such iron clad “facts” can change in the Watchtower, isn’t it?
*** w51 6/15 383 Questions from Readers ***
That this method of calculating is correctly used to bring us to A.D. 1914 from 607 B.C. is confirmed for us by the physical facts that have become manifest from that year 1914 on, in fulfillment of Matthew 24 and 25, Mark 13, Luke 21, and other prophecies concerning Christ’s second presence, in the time of the end.*** w54 7/1 407 Today's Right Kind of Ministers ***
7 Both the Scriptures and physical facts show that Christ Jesus was enthroned in Jehovah’s kingdom in 1914.What can we learn from such examples? First of all that the Watchtower writers as most religious people have absolutely no idea what a fact is, they think it is whatever dream of fantasy they for the moment chooses to call a “fact”. As demonstrated a Watchtower “fact” doesn’t qualify as such in the real world. Real “physical” or “indisputable” facts can’t have Jesus “second presence” in 1874 and then suddenly change it to 1914. At least one of those statements doesn’t qualify as a fact. In this case of course none of them even remotely qualify as a fact, because they are impossible to verify in any way, and therefore the word fact shouldn’t be used at all. But this is the way people who deal in the foggy and fuzzy realm of fantasy, religion and superstition operates. As many of us who are out of the Watchtower Society or are in the process of getting out know, reality comes as a very nasty shock to people who live in these misty realms of lala land. The Bible and people who believe in it make a whole lot of extraordinary claims, which they tell us we have to accept or suffer the consequences. Consequences, which severity vary according to the degree of orthodoxy of the “messenger”. Some will torment us forever in Hell, others will simply wipe us out, but they all have in common the idea that people who don’t buy their brand of superstition do not deserve a life and a future. Is any of this based on facts, as we know them? No, they are based on very old superstitious writings and fantasies. The obvious FACT that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, is completely ignored by “true believers”.
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Battlestar Galatica
by free2beme inokay, this is a series i loved in the 1970's ... except for that who bsg 1984 thing that should have never happened.
when the new series came out, i was all excited.
it was good, and then quickly it took the path of several series these days, in which it "covers very little each episode.
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I think the whole series suck. The writers seem to be completely out of any ideas. The whole idea now seem to be just to keep the whole show going. It's so much like many other series like "Lost", "Prison Break" which is turned into never ending paper thin illogical far fetched constructions that seem to confuse even the writers. Keeping these hopeless and hapless series going just for the sake of it is just another sign of the worship of the almighty dollar and the stupidity of the "fans" Using the same computer generated space combat scenes and studio sets must be pretty cheap too. Watching the crew of these "spaceships" struggle with steaming valves with hammers and wrenches take one back to the age of steam ships, gimme a break! Norm
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SHOCKING!
by Dansk ini just managed to see the last 15 minutes or so of the 'tonight with trevor mcdonald' programme on british tv.
it concerned young children under 12 who had their blood tested and it was found they all had (at least those i saw) high levels of toxic chemicals in their blood.
one family ate organic produce and were generally the "healthy" type and yet their daughter had the highest levels of certain chemicals than others in the study.. a toxicologist said that although the chemicals were high we shouldn't worry too much as they are twice as high in the usa!!!.
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Well folks, I have read through this thread and naturally people has a right to be upset about all the strange chemicals and additives we get into our systems.
I do think however that we might try to have a little more perspective and take a few steps back and look at history. As recent as 150-200 years back most people all over the world did not live as long as we do today. If we go further back it was even worse.
People died of diseases that's considered mere banalities today. I certinly would much prefer to live now instead of back then.Many in the "alternative medicine" business use the word "natural" as it is some kind of miracle. Nature is full of extremely dangerous substances that will kill you in seconds so arguing that something is "natural" in the sense that it is healthier then a "man made" chemicals is pretty meaningless. E-coli, viruses, bacteria, yeah even dogshit is natural, it just ain't healthy.
Apart from what has been pointed out already so-called organically grown vegetables and other such produce may be contamineted by certain funguses which are the most dangerous imaginable and which cases cancer. Life is indeed dangeous and I can guarantee that you will die from it.
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Jesus' invisible return
by poppers ini know the jws claim that jesus returned invisibly in 1914 (?
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how can they state that he returned; i mean if it was an invisible return then they are only stating a belief, right?
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Well, imagine what a shock it was for his followers when Christ died.
But soon someone got the bright idea that he wasn't actually dead and the
rest of the story we know. The superstitious mind don't need reality. Reality
are only annoying and bothersome.Norm
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Just wanted to post this "reminder" for newer jws
by A Paduan in*** awake!
if you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things.
because all the evidence in fulfillment of bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years.
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I remember well reading these cocksure statements back in the seventies when the date 1975 was promoted as the ultimate truth. Here is some more of the same served in 1969:
*** w69 3/15 171 What Influences Decisions in Your Life? ***
12 The influence and spirit of this world is to get ahead, to make a name for oneself. Many schools now have student counselors who encourage one to pursue higher education after high school, to pursue a career with a future in this system of things. Do not be influenced by them. Do not let them “brainwash” you with the Devil’s propaganda to get ahead, to make something of yourself in this world. This world has very little time left! Any “future” this world offers is no future! Wisely, then, let God’s Word influence you in selecting a course that will result in your protection and blessing. Make pioneer service, the full-time ministry, with the possibility of Bethel or missionary service your goal. This is a life that offers an everlasting future!Some times quite inadvertantly Brooklyn actually do describe the very technique they use when they present their superstitious drivel as "truth". This is how it is done folks:
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WORDS are the bullets used in the war for men’s minds, and they are fired from every weapon in the arsenals of propaganda. They incessantly drum on our ears and seek to fill our minds with the thoughts and promises of men.In tireless waves they come to brainwash everyone into conformity, dissolving and rinsing from the mind any thoughts that contradict their message. If they can deluge the mind continually other thoughts will have no room, will be crowded out. That is the strategy of the sustained fire of these verbal bullets, the purpose of their churning in like the ocean surf. And different groups fire at our minds with different doctrines, deluge us with varying propagandas.So now you know why you have to attend endless meetings every week, and attend assemblies do "field service" where you are constantly bombarded with complete bullshit intil your brain is mush, with hardly any ability to think at all.
Norm