Posts by Freedom4all

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Will the 2014 Memorial partaking YOUR last?

by prologos in

possibly yes.

many wt doctrine dissenters have privately taken the bread&wine on that night for years.

one reason is that the new covenant is not for heaven, but for forgiveness of sin, and jesus served the emblems to those with an earthly hope.

Freedom4all

Shouldn't the question be: “Will the 2014 Memorial NOT partaking be your last?”

:)

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lost my job, just a week before making the final arrangements to move into my very own apartment.. got a speeding ticket on the following sunday for trying to make it to the meeting "on time", (never made it to the hall, just parked in the back of a shopping center for 2 hours in silence).. marked by the elders for quitting pioneering, no more commenting and "failing to adhere to bible counsel".. jw family sees me as a disappointment.

non-jw family is too far away to care.. found out ex-girlfriend got df'ed and is now pregnant.

puts some of the blame on me for how things turned out.. realizing that she's not entirely wrong as i was still an ignorant, kiss-ass, die hard jwdub when we started dating, always putting the "kingdom interests first" never having time for her since "the end was so freaking close" and then warping her up in the mess of me learning ttatt.. dwelling night after night in "what could have been" if i had never been a jw.. alternating between being a theist, atheist and agnostic on a daily basis to the point where i don't care anymore yet getting creeped the f*ck out when facing my own mortality and the thought of me dying alone.. always coming to the same conclusion, when i find myself alone on friday nights and weekends, that i have no actual friends, only two conditional jw "friends" which are both currently out of town for about a month and 0 real, non-jw friends.. haven't been able to sleep well in literally weeks now.

Freedom4all

You are going through a tough time.

Finding out TTATT is hard for all JW.

Being marked by elders is not a bad thing.
It’s only bad if you believe that they have ‘the truth’ and it is in fact Jehovah who is marking you.
Bud since you found out TTATT….

It’s not clear to me if you are the cause of your ex-girlfriend’s pregnancy.
But if you are, take your responsibility….don’t run.

You say you don’t have anything to lose.
In that case it can only get better.
You say you don’t have real friends.
You cannot lose what you don’t have.

Why blaming God?
Did he give you the speeding ticket?
Did he make your ex-girlfriend pregnant?
Did he make you lose your job?
Did he “mark” you?

Don’t get bitter and don’t blame anyone else.

Don’t live in the past and neither in the future.
Don’t let the past ruin today.
Don’t let fear for the future ruin today.
I was “in the truth” for 38 years before I found out TTATT and lost everything.
Yes you have to start over again….so what?
Instead of putting the “kingdom interests first” you can now put your own interests first.

One Day Ill Be Free…….TODAY you can be free.

Greetings from Holland ( 11:55 AM )

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Deceptive WT Quotes

by Vanderhoven7 in

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friends

are there other wts quotes, such as the following, that clearly demonstrate deception (cover up) on the part of the organization.. "jehovah's witnesses have consistently shown from the scriptures that the year 1914 marked the beginning of this world's time of the end and that "the day of judgment and of destruction of the ungodly men" has drawn near.

" watchtower 1993 aug 15 p.9.

"the "time of the end," a period of one hundred and fifteen (115) years, from a.d. 1799 to a.d. 1914, is particularly marked in the scriptures.

Freedom4all

Van der Hoven, you have a Dutch name.

If you can read DUTCH:

http://www.freedom4all.net/1914_voorspeld.aspx

http://www.freedom4all.net/1914_wat_zegt_de_lectuur.aspx

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One year ago...

by DeWandelaar in

... i joined this forum.

well... 11 months and 23 days ago to be more exact.

why this post?

Freedom4all

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Wandelaar, you have a PM.

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JW Doctors

by elisaporquien in

okay i know that there are people who began careers in medicine, law, etc.

then later got into the truth.

i know that pursuing a higher education is not forbidden but a personal choice.

Freedom4all

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This is what the GB has to say about higher education.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7R4f9ygxDbk

He ( Lösch, member of the GB) compared going to college to shooting a bullet through your head.
You will not recommend it to anyone only because someone survived it.

Going to college is a lack of faith.

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One year ago...

by DeWandelaar in

... i joined this forum.

well... 11 months and 23 days ago to be more exact.

why this post?

Freedom4all

Just a little story:

In the beginning there was nothing….well, there was energy…some call it God.
What if you were God and existed for an eternity?
You couldn’t die, you just existed.
There is no excitement, no danger, no joy.
Nothing can go wrong.

You get fascinated by the idée of how everything would change when there is danger.
End of live would be danger.
Live would get more value if it is limited.
Like: money has more value when it is limited.

What would you do?

E=mc2 so you start experimenting.
You convert some of your energy to matter.
Everything you create has a beginning AND an END.
Every star, every galaxy has an ending.

You create live.
First small, single cells, later larger.
You experiment with all kinds of live.
Sometimes it is not what you had in mind, so you terminate the dinosaurs and apply the knowledge you gained to a new species.

You are a learning ‘God’.
One of the things you invent is an emotion and you call it ‘love’.
Love cannot exist if you are completely alone…I mean really alone in the universe.
Love is an interaction between two entities.

You create man in your image.
Well, your image, plus all the features you don’t have,
Live and death is part of man’s existents.
Danger and excitement is his part.

And you watch….closer to excitement you cannot come.
Maybe you can even ‘feel’ what man can feel.

I sometimes wondered why the bible says demons took possession of the body of a man.
Is it a way of feeling something they other ways can’t?
Do they feel what that man feels?

And if man dies then E=mc2.
He returns to energy….his spirit returns to his source, you, his creator.

Since man was made of the energy of God…..
Is man part of God?

And if man is part of God….is the question then the same as in the beginning when God was alone?
What is the purpose of my existents?
What if there is no purpose?
Why does God exists?
He just is.

And he made his existents to something worthwhile.
It was his choice.
Maybe we must make the same choice.
Don’t ask what the purpose of your live is.
Nobody else can decide what your purpose in live should be.
MAKE it worthwhile….give it a purpose.

You are God….you can do it.

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My daughter has been officially dfd, unfortunately...

by suavojr in

unfortunately she still does not know ttatt... the good thing is that my wife (her mom) is not shunning her!.

i gave my daughter love & comfort and told her that nobody is ever going to divide us, i might not be happy with all of her choices and decisions but i just want her to be happy.

my family is still asleep and still thinks this is the truthtm and my wife wants her to come back.

Freedom4all

Sorry for my English.

According to the rules you only get DF’d if you do not show repent.
Or….if you show repent….but the elders don’t believe you.

I presume she repents, since she still believes it’s the truth, so how come she is df’d?

Where is the guidance of the Holy Spirit?
Aren’t the elders praying for that?

Ask her how it is possible that she is df’d despite of her being repentant.

Just put the question in her mind.
She knows if she is….and if she knows then Jehovah knows….so how can it be that the elders don’t?

Jezus said that the first command was to love your neighbor and God.
If that is the first command, nothing can come above that.
Even love your enemy!

Jezus eat and spoke with sinners.

How can it be that the GB places her df-rule above the first and highest command?

Just let her think about it….do not argue.

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New Light not accepted by all..

by Dis-Member in

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friends

i came across 3 very long serving regular pioneers today in the street.

they are out preaching full time ever day.

they are at the forefront and spearhead the teaching of jehovah's witnesses on ground level.

Freedom4all

"“The faithful and discreet slave” was appointed over Jesus’ domestics in 1919. That slave is the small, composite group of anointed brothers serving at world headquarters during Christ’s presence who are directly involved in preparing and dispensing spiritual food. When this group work together as the Governing Body, they act as “the faithful and discreet slave.”" jw .org 10th Nov 2012

When the "faithful and discreet slave" had to appear before the Australian court the defense was that there didn't exist such a slave, so no "slave" showed up.

But now the Governing Body identified them self as that slave.

This new light was released on Oktober 6 2012 at their annual meeting. ( http://www.jw.org/en/news/events-activities/annual-meeting-report-2012/ )

On Oktober 11 2011 they took this stand ( http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/child-abuse/217233/1/Victoria-Australia-Report-on-Oct-11th-hearing-involving-Steven-Unthank#.UjwwvMYg8hM )

During the court hearing on October 11, legal counsel for the Watchtower Society, Rachel van Witsen, from Vincent Toole Solicitors (the WTS's in-house law firm located inside Bethel, Australia) made a statement on behalf of the Watchtower Society that:-

"The faithful and discreet slave is not a legal entity."

Vincent Toole Solicitors then went on to present arguments that the "faithful and discreet slave" do not exist as a "person" nor do they exist as an "unincorporated body" and nor do they exist as a "body" of Christians.

Literally Vincent Toole Solicitors were arguing that the "faithful and discreet slave" should be struck off the charge list because they simply do not exist.

Since the GB now identified themselves as this slave, can they be summond by the court?

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Questions From Readers.... MiracleWheat.... need pdf Newspaper articles...

by Calebs Airplane in

does anyone have any old newspapaer articles in pdf format that cover the miracle wheat scandal?i'd like to debunk this qfr that was sent to me by an active jw after i brought up this scandal to him recently.... watchtower may 15, 1953 page 319:.

questionsfromreaders.

are the charges in a tract against jehovahs witnesses true that the societys first president was immoral, profiteered from selling some mysteriously named wheat at $65 a bushel, and committed perjury when asked in court if he could read greek?

Freedom4all

"The extent to which critics will deliberately falsify such quotations is shown in another tract that says Jehovah’s witnesses deny the ransom and tries to support this with a quotation from Volume 5, page 127, of the StudiesintheScriptures: “Jesus’ suffering would not pay the debt of sin.” Here is what the book actually says: “True, the wages of sin was not suffering, but death; and hence suffering on our Lord’s part would notalone pay the wages of sin for us: it was absolutely necessary that he should ‘tastedeath for every man.’” The book says exactly the opposite of what the tract claims it says.

With such lies and perverted facts the critics condemn themselves."

How many times did Watchtower falsify quotations of others?
They condemn themselves.

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JW.org FAQ - a new video on "Are Only Jehovah's Witnesses going to be saved?"

by RayPublisher in

jw.org faq trickery #1 - are only jehovah's witnesses going to be saved?.

from the description:.

if you have been associated for any length of time with the jehovah's witnesses you know that they believe they are the only true religion and the only ones that will be saved before the war of armageddon.

Freedom4all

JW have a minimum of 15 minutes a month preaching to do.
It is a requirement of Jehovah, according to the GB.
You MUST endure in this work in order to survive....even if you are in a nursing home.
God expects JW to preach.

Only JW do this work, so only JW will survive de big A.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAeysDQeqCw

If others, who didn't preach, will survive de big A.........preaching is not realy a requirement.