It's Korah who ran ahead and it's in the Bible. I'm not saying I agree with the dubs, just correcting
For those of you who haven't seen the picture, I'll post it. I seriously see nothing wrong with any of the brothers in the front row...?
i wish i could scan it and get your thoughts.
it was a picture of a happy group of witnesses during a meeting for field service.
there was a. comment from a local high-horse-rider about a brother in the front row in the picture being disobedient.
It's Korah who ran ahead and it's in the Bible. I'm not saying I agree with the dubs, just correcting
For those of you who haven't seen the picture, I'll post it. I seriously see nothing wrong with any of the brothers in the front row...?
mine as best abysmal.. we had brother ..i can't sing in tune but will sing louder than anyone else.. sister trained opera voice that sang a note or 3 above everyone else.. the rest were just down rite dreadfull..
It depended...and this sounds weird but there's a really noticible difference between congregations with mostly black (they sing well in my experience) and white people (they sing like crap in my experience.) The last few congs I was in had pretty bad singing, and I noticed it doesn't seem to matter whether I was way up north or way down here but if the cong lacks black people, the singing sucks, no clue why. My last congregation was almost completely Hispanic people and the singing was very soft and almost monotone, the congregation before had a very diverse mix of people (Nigerians, Thai, Japanese, Chinese, white, etc.) so some people sang really well while others sang crappily. Probably the worst was the same cong. that shares a hall with my mom because there had been some very strange older people that would sing the complete wrong words or the right words but the wrong tune (how in the world they did that with the music playing the correct tune is beyond me) and so on.
When I was really in I loved to sing the songs fairly loudly, espescially at conventions or if I was with someone else who sang loud. I'd get weird looks if I tried to harmonize with people though =(
As a side note, I really like my church's music, there's a woman who leads the group in song and who plays acoustic guitar and her husband (I'm guessing) plays the bongo drums. Even the big screen that shows the lyrics has pretty graphics, the background they used today looked like it was snowing!
me and my wife took a nice pumpkin pie and some brand new pajamas to my dear mother who stays at my sisters house, she is ninety one (91) mind you, ok it was her birthday but there was no candles or a birthday card and she did need some new pajamas.
ok, two weeks later, my brother in-law comes to our house and practically forces his way into the house, and proceeds to tell my wife who has never been a jehovahs witness ever but does know their rules because i explained them to her, that he does not want no more holiday food in his house of any kind, (of note) his wife who is a witness ate some of the home made pumpkin pie and if truth be known my brother in-law did too.
anyway i am trying to make some sort of sense of this, he comes to our house laying down the law of jehovahs witnesses and insulted me and my wife all over a simple homemade delicious pumpkin pie which is my moms favorite, two weeks after the fact.
They ate the pumpkin pie but yet they have a problem with it?? Looks like he's the one with the life threatening brain injury...
theme was something about "loyalty to jehovah's visible organization".. i have neither the time nor inclination to summarize the whole thing, but a few points stood out:.
even if it causes you personal hardship.
example: joshua & caleb returned from spy trip to promised land with good report, but were "outvoted" by the other 10 spies.
Hope it's okay to bump this even though it's old, I was "out" for a little while so I don't think I ever heard this talk. Freaky!!
i am curious as to whether the final gut deciding factor to leave was inappropriate doctrine or the overly intrusive control of the wt.
reading the bible normally opened my eyes.
i was born-in and never suspected that they were skewing the bible in such a ridiculous manner or misquoting secular sources.
There are a bunch of things that made me leave but for me at first it was just the outright lack of love within the org. I knew the Bible said true Christians would be noted for their love amongst themselves and I did not see love, I saw people looking down on others and even hatred of people they called their "brothers." I saw the way women are treated in the org. (and being a woman, I saw it first-hand). The blood doctine and shunning were the first doctrines that bothered me, then when they came out with that overlapping generations bullcrap I began questioning more. Now they actually outright say that we have to "obey the faithful and discreet slave class to have Jehovah's approval." So basically if I were to believe all the other lies they teach but not "obey" I would not be saved! Ridiculous. Now that I'm becoming a Christian I see that I actually was "ashamed of Christ" almost, in that I squirmed when I heard the name Jesus and only talked about Jehovah! So for me it's a combination of doctrine and the whole control thing that made me leave, but probably more doctrine than anything else, though the amount of control they have over people is pretty damn scary if you think about it.
dose anyone remember this issue?
i remember i was 18 when i read this, being a youth myself i put myself in their shoes and i was so sad and angry.
their short lives were stolen.
I remember this. I think I was about 8 or 9 years old at the time and to see photos and stories of children, some of whom were MY OWN AGE that died for those crazy beliefs just made me so sad and confused at the time and now makes me even sadder. It's one thing for people to die for these beliefs but to glorify them and publicize their deaths and that they died as "good examples" just makes me sick. I was talking about blood transfusions with my JW grandmother (the nicer one) but not this article specifically, and I said, what would Jesus have done if he was standing there watching these people sacrifice their children for this one thing? I told her, I wouldn't just run out and get one but if I needed it or if I had a child that needed it I wouldn't let the kid bleed to death! Hopefully I gave her something to think about.
http://www.wnyc.org/blogs/wnyc-news-blog/2011/nov/24/jehovahs-witnesses-bump-evangelism-thanksgiving/.
wnyc news blogjehovah's witnesses spend thanksgiving knocking on doorsthursday, november 24, 2011 - 12:00 amby daniel p. tucker.
one of 80 territory maps used by jehovah's witnesses from a jackson heights kingdom hall to evangelize door to door.. jehovah's witnesses don't celebrate thanksgiving.
My husband said, "Boy would I like to have a Jehovah's Witness knock on my door today..." while shaking his head.
We passed a KH on the way home from our "evil" Thanksgiving party we went to, I felt bad for all the miserable people stuck going to a meeting tonight. =(
1) on saturday's last talk by the do, he made a cool illustration.
he said "imagine my wife found a picture of another woman in my wallet.
and when she approaches my about it, i say 'oh, thats only because she reminds me of you.
Interesting they work our concerns ("apostates") into their parts now...
Also, Newburgh brings back memories, when I was still "good" and therefore on the RBC, I served meals ("Slap and slide, sisters!" the bro. in charge would say as a bunch of little Hispanic ladies, and me, a tiny white lady all stood on milk crates slapping unidentifiable mush onto styrofoam plates, but I digress) when they were building it! Sorry I got a little off topic LOL.
I confessed for my major sin (living with my husband before we got married) but before I moved in with him, a girl I thought was my friend (who turned out to be a pretty nasty slut masquerading as a good little speeeritual sister) told on me that I had an online boyfriend (the same guy who's now my husband) to the elders. They didn't form a JC exactly but they sat down and talked with me about the dangers of dating worldly guys and such and marrying only in the Lord and all that. I was pretty set on my relationship with him so the Watchtower articles they photocopied for me ended up in the trash or buried under papers and never read by me. I was pretty pissed off at that girl for telling on me. =/
... to explain why jws don't celebrate it.
how did you do explain it when you were in?
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I never could explain that one, especially since my family all but celebrated Thanksgiving, they did everything but call it that! We got together as a family (JW family anyway) and sat around the table and had a whole roast turkey, stuffing, cornbread, green bean casserole and cranberry sauce on our best dishes. My grandfather at the head of the table saying the prayer thanking God for all we had and my sister and I being allowed to put our handprint turkeys on the table as decorations that our "worldly" teachers had us make!! Right now on Facebook some of my JW friends and family (only 2 are shunning me right now) are talking about running over to Walmart to get their turkey's before the holiday so they'll be cheap!! Oh the irony...